Chapter 61 CRSC Computation--Zero CRSC

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  1. Ron91

    Ron91 PEB Forum Regular Member

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    For the attention of Mike Parker, if he has time to review this.

    Request confirmation the following figures are correct. I believe this is a case (on and after 1 January 2013) where no CRSC is payable. I believe the significant factors to be: the DoD disability payment ($4584) is much more than either the LOS or CRSC aspects of the case.

    Information used:
    VA: 90% (wife and 3 children under 18)
    DoD disability: 70%
    CRSC: 80%
    LOS: 17 yr 8 mo
    High three: $6548.10
    Dod Disability pmt at 70%: $4583.67
    The entitlement ON AND AFTER 1 January 2013:
    The veteran should be getting (from the VA and DoD) an amount equal to his total VA ($2,073) and the lesser of these two amounts:

    The LOS amount ($2892.95) (LOS calculation (Retirement base $6548.10 x 44.18% (17 yr 8 mo x 2.5%) = $2892.95)

    or

    The VA compensation for Combat related disabilities based on 80% CRSC Rating= $1844

    In this case, the CRSC is the lesser amount.

    The total VA/DoD compensation should be $2,073 (Total VA) + $1844 (CRSC amount) = $3917
    He receives $4584 from DoD in disability retirement (of which $2073 is offset by VA)=
    $2511 net

    $3917 minus $4584=zero CRSC Amount

    SUMMARY: The payments by type should be --
    $2,073 from the VA,
    $2511 for disability retirement
    $0.0 for CRSC
    TOTAL: $4584
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    Thank you,
    Ron
     
  2. Ron91

    Ron91 PEB Forum Regular Member

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    This is an addendum to my post above. It seems that the formula in computing the CRSC would include the following:

    Dod Disability Retirement: $4584 (rounded) minus $2073 VA disability comp = $2511 DoD Ret Remaining
    Amount for LOS retirement: $2893 (rounded) minus $2511 DoD ret remaining = $382 CRSC
    The $382 is less than the max CRSC for the applicable CR disabilities ($1844) and of course, the LOS of $2893

    Special Rules for Chapter 61 Disability Retirees: According to law, members retired for disability under Chapter 61 of title 10 United States Code must have the CRSC entitlement limited to an amount that when combined with any military retired pay remaining after offset for VA disability compensation will not exceed the retired pay they would otherwise be entitled to for retirement computed for years of service (i.e., 2 1/2 percent x years of service x pay base).

    Ron
     
  3. nwlivewire

    nwlivewire PEB Forum Veteran

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    POST 9/11 HOUSE has a current and verifiable CRSC EXCEL calculator.

    PM him and he can send it to you.

    It IS accurate as of JUN, 2013 and it DOES factor in the new changes in CRSC as of this past JAN 2013.

    V/r,
    nwlivewire
     
  4. Ron91

    Ron91 PEB Forum Regular Member

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  5. maparker

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    His VA comp for combat related conditions is $1,844 (80% VA)
    Subtract from that, the amount his DoD disability retirement exceeds the LOS amount ($4,584-$2,893 =$1,691)

    $1,844 - $1,691 = $153 CRSC Amount

    He should get from DoD and VA an amount equal to his VA comp for combat related ($1,844) and his LOS ($2,893)
    $1,844 + $2,893 = $4,737

    He gets $2,073 from the VA (90% total rating)
    He get $2,511 in DoD disability retirement ($4,584 DoD pay - $2,073 VA comp offset)
    He gets $153 in CRSC

    $2,073 + $2,511 + $153 = $4,737

    Mike
     
  6. Ron91

    Ron91 PEB Forum Regular Member

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    Thank you Mike. Ron
     
  7. johnc10thMtn

    johnc10thMtn New Member

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    Sorry Mr. Parker but I am very new to the board... how do chpt61 people who are VA rated 100%,UI,AA... then CRSC rated at 70%... I have been receiving VA since 2007, and for about 4 months received somehow retired pay, then it stopped and was left holding well you get it... any ideas on the new rules etc.?
     
  8. maparker

    maparker Staff Member PEB Forum Veteran

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    Have you applied for CRSC?

    Mike
     
  9. johnc10thMtn

    johnc10thMtn New Member

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    yes, applied for CRSC in 2009-2010... was approved by CRSC for 70%
     
  10. johnc10thMtn

    johnc10thMtn New Member

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    just got a call on Friday saying for the past 5 years I have been on TDRL? can I have been on TDRL, while also approved for CRSC, and Chpt 61'd? im so lost right now... and if I was on TDRL, should I have been receiving any pay? anyone with any insight would be great


    VA: 100% IU/PT as of May 2010
    CRSC: 70%
    DOD: Unsure

    Receiving VA at $2900 and change and CRSC at $143

    thanks,
    John C.
     
  11. ranger2992

    ranger2992 Staff Member PEB Forum Veteran

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    How many years of service did you have? What was your high three amount used
     
  12. nwlivewire

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    Does your DD-214 at time of discharge have anything written on the bottom of the form - like discharged to PDRL? TDRL?

    Mine did.

    V/r,
    nwlivewire
     
  13. lostinfantryman

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    Ok, I got my approved CRSC letter today. Can one one help me with the numbers because I know the 1000 plus number I'm getting from the dfas calculator can't be right.

    VA 100% plus SMC= 3393.16 (spouse 3 children)
    DOD 70% = 2538.0
    LOS-14 years 3 days
    High 3- 3627.00
    CSRC 50%- ?????
     
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    3627 * 50% = 1813.5 - retired pay for CRSC disability
    14 * 2.5% = 35% * 3627 = 1269.45 - retired pay for LOS
    VA rate @ 50% = 1039.37 - VA pay for CRSC disability

    Lowest of those calculations. So 1039.37

    I think that's right based on my reading of FMR volume 7B chapter 63.
     
  15. Warrior644

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    Nonetheless, congratulations indeed to your recently approved CRSC award! :)

    Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

    Best Wishes!
     
  16. lostinfantryman

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    Thanks scoutcc that's about what the dfas calculator says I should receive.

    Thanks Warrior644, this makes the ssdi dis approval hurt a lot less worse.
     
  17. Warrior644

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    You are welcome; indeed, at least that's pleasing to hear at this point! :) Take care and enjoy life! :cool:

    Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

    Best Wishes!
     

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