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Physical Evaluation Board System Overview
An overview of the Physical Disability Evaluation System, including the MEB and PEB. Also, important decisions at each stage of the PDES, benefits, continuation on active duty/active reserve ( COAD / COAR ), the eight year rule, and more.
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The question on most of our minds is this:
How long is it all going to take?
This is an attempt to answer that question, but it's going to take all of us to do it. The idea is to give a very detailed account of the timeline of each person's case. It's one thing to say "in February I was tumpy tumpy" but there's a world of difference and two pay periods between the beginning of the month and end of it.
Somwhere there's the theory if the sample population (ours here) is large enough, it comes to represent the whole (all military members going through this). If there are enough people who take notes and are good at remembering dates, or do like I do and keep a monthly planner you can keep notes in, then it would go a long way to...
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This post, like this site, is a work in progress. I realized recently that even though all the information on the Physical Disability Evaluation System (PDES) can be found here, first time visitors probably need a guide to understand what is going on with their case.
I will be posting a more comprehensive "Guide" in the near future. But for now, I want to put out this post to help newcomers and members alike understand how to use this site.
First, in the Physical Disability Evaluation System Overview Forum, you can find some basic overview/information papers on understanding the process. The updated "Guide" that I will publish will eventually replace the info papers found there. But for now, you can get a grasp of the process.
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CRSC questions, new CRSC information, and requests for CRSC estimates should be posted as a new thread in the CRSC Forum.
This is the link to the CRSC Forum —-> Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC)
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A copy of Mike Parker's Powerpoint presentation to the MOAA's Wounded Warrior Forum. It includes the entire brief with back-up slides containing detailed explanations.
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I have an important advisory and issue of great importance for Air Force Reserve Component Members (Air Reserve and Air National Guard members).
A few weeks back a colleague of mine called me and asked whether I had heard of ARC/ANG members being processed through the Legacy Disability Evaluation System (LDES). My friend shared a story of a client who was an AF Reserve member who was referred to the MEB and then the PEB notified his client that he was being processed by the PEB as an LDES case. The client had a current VA rating that was higher than the PEB decision. I was asked what I thought of this and I said that this made no sense and seemed patently illegal. I thought this was just an error or an aberration- until the next day...
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This thread is dedicated to special issues regarding the Temporary Disabled Retired List.
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Welcome again, everyone (well, as of now I am the only one registered here, but this is for all the future members). As I explained in the anouncement, I have created this site to provide US Military Servicemembers information about the MEB / PEB proccess. This is intended to be a one stop information resource center and discussion board.
This is my first message board/website, so please bear with me as I learn more about this board's software and how to improve the user experience. Please feel free to offer suggestions. I know I won't be able to please everyone, but I will listen to input.
Well, I hope this Board is helpful to the Servicemembers going through the PDES. I wish everyone the best of luck.
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So, you are starting in the military disability process....you probably feel like the characters above.
Let me point out several pointers and common errors that impact folks in getting to a favorable outcome.
1) Make an honest and fair evaluation of your situation and your goals as early as possible- then fight for your desired outcome.
I have stated this countless times. One of the best things you can do to get the outcome you desire is to decide as early as possible what your desired outcome is. I have come across many cases where the member gets a bad outcome because they have "waffled" on what they want. For example, I have seen many cases where a member really wants to be found fit and continue their career. So, at the MEB...
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Mind you these are all referenced to the Army, some may cross over to the other services those of you out there please post them on this discussion too! Thanks all!!
Legacy-Old MEB/PEB process.
IDES-Integrated Disability Evaluation System; new MEB/PEB process.
DoD-means any military service/encompasses all.
MEB-Medical Evaluation Board.
PEB-Physical Evaluation Board.
MMRB-MOS/Medical Retention Board.
NARSUM-Narrative Summary.
IPEB- Informal Physical Evaluation Board.
FPEB-Formal Physical Evaluation Board.
IPR –Independent Physical Review (Same as IMR).
IMR-Independent Medical Review (Same as IPR).
PDBR-Physical Disability Board of Review, for those out of the service already that need to correct a...
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This post contains a slide covering timelines (the slide is from the Army, but applies to all services): http://www.pebforum.com/army-discussion/236-slide-army-pdes-elements-timeline.html
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I was recently contacted by a staff member from the DoD Recovering Warrior Task Force. There is a panel discussion that they are holding in the Crystal City (Arlington), VA on Dec. 5, and they are looking for interested members going through the IDES. I was asked to post this announcement (which sounds like a good opportunity for people to have their concerns heard):
The DoD Recovering Warrior Task Force (RWTF) is seeking Wounded, Ill, or Injured Service members who are in the Integrated Disability System Evaluation System (IDES) process, preparing for transition to civilian life, and willing to participate in a panel discussion.
The RWTF was established by Congress in 2010 to provide DoD with advice and recommendations on...
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This attachment contains the Federal Law concerning US military disability retirement. Please see the Library link to see the latest updates from Jan. 2008 in this law.
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This info paper was published by the US Army Physical Disability Agency. A good starting point for a general understanding of the process.
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Hello All,
I apologize if this is in the wrong location.
Looking for some guidance and getting questions answered.
Background:
-I am currently in the Active Duty Army
-I have 25 years of total service and 14.5 years AFS. (I did the call to Active Duty in 2017)
I have had severe skin issues for the last few years. I'm been to Walter Reed and multiple other dermatologist.
Long story short, my PCM stated that they are going to recommend me for a PEB, since they have exhausted all avenues to help me with my skin issue.
Questions:
1. If I am medically retired, I would receive the medical retirement pay immediately, correct? Eventhough I don't have 20 AFS?
2. Could I received my Medical retirement pay along with VA disability?
I...
My PEB was submitted February 4, 2024 but the SECNAV was requesting for an NMA. I got move to a different command and but now my new command is giving me a hard time. CO hasn’t submitted an NMA and it’s been over a month. My EAS is coming up in 2.5 months and I’m afraid that I won’t be able to go through my PEB process. I’ve been trying to work with my S-1 but it seems like I’m getting the run around answer… What do I do here?
In need of advice for a situation I was involved in while I was enlisted. Long story short I got injured really bad and was going through physical therapy at the time and I end up getting in trouble and end up catching a summerized court martial. While waiting on that to transpire and figure out my income I was recommended for a MEB by the post physician. But the Post PA told me that I had a court martial coming up so that I would just deal with the VA when I got out. From what I read that was illegal because it was a summerized court martial and that could only happen if it was a special or general court martial. Not a summerized court martial. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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I hope you all are doing well. Has anyone ran into potential pay issues for VA compensation after IDES is complete? I recently medically retired on 29 March 2025 after going through IDES and recieved 100% P/T and 100% DoD. I was told by my VA Military Service Coordinator (MSC) that I would be paid on 1 May 2025 for VA compensation. However, when I refer to the My VA website, my claims are at the rating phase and have been since the 2nd of April. I am not sure if this is something to be concerned about for pay or if this is normal? I was also informed by another servicemember that retired on the same day that the status is the same for them and they were informed they would also be getting paid on 1 May. This...
I am separating in November 2025. I just got my skill bridge approved that starts 2 June 2025 through 29 September 2025. My terminal leave covers until my separation date in November. I was just notified by my PCM last week that I am being submitted to the DAWG 17 April and will probably begin the med board processing. What happens if I am on skill bridge when the med board starts processing?Will I have to move back and stop skill bridge or can I do my skill bridge and just go to appointments. If I need to get extended what happens? Looking for some insight.
I have an approved retirement date of 01 March 2026 and a terminal leave date of 01 December 2025 I have been seeing treatment For PTSD and Acohol dependency while transitioning to civilian life. I have never been on profile through this process my pules have been ones across the board and have been deployable the whole time while receiving treatment. My BH counselor and physcatrist have never explained my treatment plan nor have we discussed options of plans or the affects it would have on me transitioning out of the army. Now the medical team is trying to say I am medically unfit for duty because it has been over 180 days of treatment. They want to start a MEB which will cancel my normal retirment. I am fit for duty to finish...
So, I was just referred to MEB by my Neurologist for refractory migraines but, at the same time, Pain Management Clinic, as well as my Orthopedic Surgeon, recommended to my PCM that I have also reached MRDP and should be referred to IDES for another health issue other than a migraine. SO MY QUESTION IS, is it possible to be referred to MEB by two different providers for 2 different medical conditions at the same time for one person? That is, can I get two P3 profiles for two med boardable conditions?
Any response will be appreciated.
Thank you guys.
What are the things I can do? I’ve spoken to the lawyer, and he is basically confused and doesn’t understand the way the examiner what the examiner put down it’s contradicting. He also stated he doesn’t know what a rater will rate my condition. He said a rebuttal won’t do much right now. I’m at a lost of words. I’m not giving up. I just need advice.
I got told that I was being adsep CND.
8 years time in service. Diagnosed with PTSD 7 years ago. Been going to therapy more frequently because of PTSD (6 months), sent to mental ward for SI, going to outpatient program for PTSD.
Once I upload the therapist notes to my medical records and they see my hospitalization. Will the flag level review change adsep CND to a medboard so I can be medically retired ?
Asking all this because I was told to upload everything so it can be on my record. But isn’t it too late ? I’m mentally struggling and paperwork and fighting isn’t on my mind. Especially when I don’t know what I’m fighting for? I don’t know what fighting for a medboard will do for me or medical retirement ? Maybe cause I’m just so...
Good morning everybody. Have been waiting on two of my c&p exams to be uploaded, one of which will be 2 months ago that I did the C&P. My only way to check was TOL as I got to go through all if my DBQ’s and see what was uploaded and what wasn’t. Now that Tricare Online has been retired is there any other place I can check and see if they were uploaded? I’ve checked Genesis and can not find anything pertaining to my exams in there. As well as is two months a normal time to wait for an exam to be uploaded? It is for MH and is not a referred condition. Thank you!
So I have been in this process from the time of referral to the MEB till now of over 200 days and my VA claim has been with them for almost 6 months. I sat in step 5 for a hot minute and just the other day dropped back to step 2 and then moved to step 3 now the VA is requesting more exams for body parts that were already covered under my original exams back in October. I’m assuming this is normal? Both DBQs were favorable for these conditions and the one was what triggered my MEB and required surgery and now I am looking at having to get poked and prodded again and hope a new provider thinks the same. I wonder how much more this will delay my process? I was already found unit by the PEB and was just waiting on proposed ratings….
Anyone in the Virginia Beach, Portsmouth, or Norfolk area currently in the PEB phase. I was found unfit 23OCT24 and trying to gauge a timeline for the VA to send my findings. Been seeing 60-85 day turnaround from other branches and locations here on this forum. Please share or drop some knowledge/timelines if willing. Thanks.
Where do I even begin? So I was diagnosed with PTSD (MST) in 2018. Was on LIMDU for 1 year. Was asked if I wanted to stay in active duty, I said yes (dumb answer). Got lucky with the command I was given (mostly female office) and COVID (teleworking).
Fast forward past three years PTSD symptoms creeping and getting worse. In present time I’ve been going to therapy, and my doctor recommended I get out.
So I get a call last week from mental health and I was told that “they” (I don’t know who’s they) found me unfit and are recommending Administrative Separation CND (conditions not amounting to a disability). Because of my length in time in service it will be going to a flag level for review.
So my questions are…
1. Was I already...
Just curious to know if LOD is necessary to get medboarded. I don’t have profile either but want to go through the process.
I only have LOD while I was on basic training for my bilateral stress fracture. I am in Army reserve and currently 90% VA disability for knee, hemorrhoids, IBS, adjustment disorder, migraine.
I am physically and mentally exhausted with all these.
Please let me know if I even qualify for medboard without LOD. I have check some of my conditions will be unfit for duty.
I was referred to an MEB due to a mental breakdown that I suffered from a SA that was never treated. The referral was done before the 1 year mark. Currently I have 17 years AFS and 17.3 ARNG
After being treated, my therapist agrees the PTSD and MDD due to MST and retaliation is controlled.
The PEB has found me unfit, however I want to finish my 20 years. What can I do?
How much longer after this phase do you receive your ratings? I signed my NARSUM Jan 22nd and I'm just curious if I'll be able to make class selection for school mid April, my PEBLO did submit a expedite memo but it's not looking likely
So, I have recently been put up for MEB. I am trying to get a timeline and what to expect. Unfortunately, I have only been in 3 1/2 years, and I was diagnosed with moderate to extreme insomnia in sept 2024. They tried ambien, cognitive behavioral therapy, and now a new sleeping medication, which none of these things have helped. I was put up in Feb, just signed CC recommendation to not retain last week, and I am still waiting to hear back from the board. Any idea how long this takes? Steps after I hear back from the board? I joined at 17 and planned on retiring at 37, but if it comes back I can't stay in, I want to be as prepared as I can to prepare a future for myself. I have a few other medical issues, along with knee surgery...
I signed my ratings March 4th and I haven’t gotten a new EAS yet. What’s taken so long? I’ve talked to my peblo, I’ve called HQMC. What else can I do?
Hi,
I just received my DA 199. My disposition states that my condition is rated above 75% and permanent. It does not state that I am chapter 61 however. In which, here is my background:
US Army Reserves
CPT/O3E
24 years of service
5983 Total Points
100% VA Rating
Above 75% DoD Rating (70% is combat related)
I am reading a lot of materials, and it is unclear what I should expect and entitled to as well.
Therefore, my questions are
Am I eligible for disability retirement pay?
If so, when do i receive it?
If not, what do am I eligible for retirement payment?
Does this qualify me for chapter 61?
If so, what are the benefits of chapter 61?
Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I try to plan for the future.
Hey guys, given that all the information I’m able to find online is super helpful for me I thought I would keep you guys updated with my timeline as well.
P3 Initiated: 10/29/24
Second P3 Signature: 11/06/24
PEBLO Contact: 11/12/24
IDES MEB Brief: 11/14/24
C&P1: 12/03/24
C&P2 and 3: 12/04/24
C&P4: 12/05/24
Final C&P: 12/11/24
12/18/24: VES calls me daily with updates but so far they have 3/5 uploaded to the VA, once they’re all uploaded my MSC will send it to my PEBLO so the Army Doc can write up my NARSUM
NARSUM: TBD
PEB Referral:TBD
VA Ratings: TBD
VA Compensation letter: TBD
DA199: TBD
Final Out Orders: TBD
Good afternoon y'all! I hope you all are doing well. I wanted to reach out regarding compensation and to clarify any information if I can.
I am nearing my retirement date on 28 March 2025 and will receive a 100% P/T medical retirement (Chapter 61) with 17 years total service and 16 years Active Federal Service retiring as a Full Time National Guard (FTNGD) soldier. I was told that I cannot receive retiree pay with me not having 20 years of service yet however I meet these requirements which should entitle me to retiree pay --
Army Reserve Soldiers on active duty are entitled to Disability Retired Pay when all the criteria below are met:
While serving on active duty for more than 30 days, the Soldier incurred a permanent...
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So I will be at 18 1/2 years in the Army on 14 March, I have submitted my retirement and have an approved retirement date of 30 Sept 2026 and my PCM has submitted me for MEB (even after I told her I have an approved retirement) on 13 FEB (my paperwork was approved for retirement in OCT 2024 if that makes a difference), and received a call for my IDES brief scheduled for 5 MAR. I have been assigned a Peblo but she hasn't reached out to me yet (I am trying to avoid or prolong this as long as I can, so I am not initiating first contact). As far as I am tracking, I am only being referred because I am on 3 different Diabetic medicines even though there are other illnesses and injuries, my current A1c reading is 7.9 (I am...
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Yesterday I received me IPEB and agree with everything minus it not being combat related. The only reason this matters to me is so I can keep my Mil-Tec position.
Is a appointed attorney good enough to try and appeal?
Got word yesterday that the PEB system is down, does anyone else have any knowledge of this?