Body Fat Failure

jramo2010

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I'm currently being separated for failing to meet the weight standards. I blame myself and accepted this and after 10 years of service it's time to move on. The problem is that my paperwork has not gone through. I failed the tape test April 2013. I re-entered the program and was given 90 days. I improved, but still failed. By August 2013 I failed again, and then in September. I was told that they would give me another chance so I worked out like crazy and in October 2013 I failed again missing it by 2% (originally failed it by 10%). At that time I was counseled and the case was a slam dunk. In November2013 I turned in all of my gear. I thought now this is real and I need to prepare so I began applying for licensure in regards to my skillset in another state. December rolled along and I was not given any notice about my separation and was placed on duty for 3/4ths of December. My supervisor then told me that I would be out by mid January. I just received my license to practice in the state I plan on living in and I have had several interviews. I turned down one position because it was paying me too low. I am very blessed in this aspect, but I played my cards right. When I was a junior enlisted Soldier I didn't fast track my promotion and instead opted to go to graduate school at a good university and got out with a Masters degree.

Now I just found out that the group I worked with took me off of their protocol list so I am unable to assist them with any type of work. I can't do my MOS anymore. My 1SG indicated that my paperwork from my previous unit was not available and legal rejected my chapter even though my previous Company Commander is willing to write a MFR indicating that I was on the program. So they told my supervisor that I would have to wait until April. Well, I am accountable for my mistakes and I am not happy that basic clerical errors are being made especially when it impacts my ability to take a position. I met with the Command staff I indicated that a pattern of non-compliance (Failed multiple tape tests in 2013) with weight standards had already been established at our unit and under ordinary circumstances I would be very happy to stay in until my contract is up, but I have been outcasted and rejected so much that I just want out of this place. I'm not saying anything bad about anyone, but just want to know if I can do an IG complaint in regards to an inability to file basic paperwork to separate a Soldier. I know if I was fighting to stay in things would be different and I would be told that regardless of the process and the errors that were made in the paperwork I am still not in compliance and have not met the standard. What do you think? I'm actually trying to lose weight and not intentionally trying to get out, but I accepted my shortcomings and ready to move on with the next part of my life. I'm stuck and do not know how to proceed at this point.
 

ranger2992

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It sounds like a very tough situation, but in this case your case you are at the mercy of the Army. If your old unit did not do their job, there is little you can do to expedite this. The weight control program is all about units doing the paperwork correctly. If your old unit commander didn't do his job, there is not a lot you can do about.

Now to the second part of my comment, which you probably might not like. It doesn't really sound like you have any issues that relate to MEB/PEB. This site may not provide the right audience for you to get solid advice. When it comes to MEP/PEB, we are aces, but other subjects really don't fall into our wheelhouse.

I hope you get a positive outcome. Just hang in there, and never quit trying.

Joe
 

jramo2010

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Summary of rant above:
Problem: I have been non-compliant with weight since April 2013. I've been told since August 2013 that I would be separated. I am still in the unit and was informed that a pattern of non-compliance could not be established so I have to wait until April 2014. Could I file an IG since a pattern of noncompliance has been established, at least 6 tape failures this past year. I accepted my shortcomings and would just like for my Command to follow through with the discharge. I don't want to rock the boat, because I read that the Commander can just give a bar to re-enlistment. In my opinion this makes that Command look like the
 

jramo2010

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Hi Joe,
Thanks for the feedback. I have a few medical conditions, but have not pushed a MED Board as that would only keep me here longer. Conditions are as follows: Sleep Apnea, Anxiety, Depression, Vertigo, shingles, Groin pain, back problems, foot pain (p. fascititis), carpal tunnel, ED. I don't want to take advantage of the system so I'm just trying to move on with my life.
 

ranger2992

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Summary of rant above:
Problem: I have been non-compliant with weight since April 2013. I've been told since August 2013 that I would be separated. I am still in the unit and was informed that a pattern of non-compliance could not be established so I have to wait until April 2014. Could I file an IG since a pattern of noncompliance has been established, at least 6 tape failures this past year. I accepted my shortcomings and would just like for my Command to follow through with the discharge. I don't want to rock the boat, because I read that the Commander can just give a bar to re-enlistment. In my opinion this makes that Command look like the
Sure, file an IG if you think it will help you. The IG has no power to change anything, they can advise commanders on potential or real violations of regulations, but that is not going to speed anything up, and will piss your command off. Based on what you said, you are not trying to get out, but that is exactly what filing an IG for your commands failure to chapter you would look like.

Again, we are not a forum set up for your situation, and you would be best served by finding one that is.

Joe
 

ranger2992

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Hi Joe,
Thanks for the feedback. I have a few medical conditions, but have not pushed a MED Board as that would only keep me here longer. Conditions are as follows: Sleep Apnea, Anxiety, Depression, Vertigo, shingles, Groin pain, back problems, foot pain (p. fascititis), carpal tunnel, ED. I don't want to take advantage of the system so I'm just trying to move on with my life.
Based on this, a MEB is what would serve you best. By not requesting one, you are walking away from potential benefits that will help you for the rest of your life. With ten years in, you have sacrificed a lot.

Joe
 

ranger2992

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I don't want to upset anyone. I'll lay low and will look into MEB. Thank you.
You're not going to upset anybody. I was offering that advice based on trying to get you the best advice possible. On here we have a wealth of information when it comes to the MEB/PEB. We also know the Army Weight Control Program, but for the most part know it in relation to MEB/PEB. In your situation, it could be totally different.

My best analogy would be that you wouldn't take a boat to an auto mechanic? Sure some of the systems are the same, but there are things that a boat mechanic knows that make a big difference as to whether the boat runs well. The auto mechanic may, and probably will miss things.

Joe
 

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I'm currently being separated for failing to meet the weight standards. I blame myself and accepted this and after 10 years of service it's time to move on. The problem is that my paperwork has not gone through. I failed the tape test April 2013. I re-entered the program and was given 90 days. I improved, but still failed. By August 2013 I failed again, and then in September. I was told that they would give me another chance so I worked out like crazy and in October 2013 I failed again missing it by 2% (originally failed it by 10%). At that time I was counseled and the case was a slam dunk. In November2013 I turned in all of my gear. I thought now this is real and I need to prepare so I began applying for licensure in regards to my skillset in another state. December rolled along and I was not given any notice about my separation and was placed on duty for 3/4ths of December. My supervisor then told me that I would be out by mid January. I just received my license to practice in the state I plan on living in and I have had several interviews. I turned down one position because it was paying me too low. I am very blessed in this aspect, but I played my cards right. When I was a junior enlisted Soldier I didn't fast track my promotion and instead opted to go to graduate school at a good university and got out with a Masters degree.

Now I just found out that the group I worked with took me off of their protocol list so I am unable to assist them with any type of work. I can't do my MOS anymore. My 1SG indicated that my paperwork from my previous unit was not available and legal rejected my chapter even though my previous Company Commander is willing to write a MFR indicating that I was on the program. So they told my supervisor that I would have to wait until April. Well, I am accountable for my mistakes and I am not happy that basic clerical errors are being made especially when it impacts my ability to take a position. I met with the Command staff I indicated that a pattern of non-compliance (Failed multiple tape tests in 2013) with weight standards had already been established at our unit and under ordinary circumstances I would be very happy to stay in until my contract is up, but I have been outcasted and rejected so much that I just want out of this place. I'm not saying anything bad about anyone, but just want to know if I can do an IG complaint in regards to an inability to file basic paperwork to separate a Soldier. I know if I was fighting to stay in things would be different and I would be told that regardless of the process and the errors that were made in the paperwork I am still not in compliance and have not met the standard. What do you think? I'm actually trying to lose weight and not intentionally trying to get out, but I accepted my shortcomings and ready to move on with the next part of my life. I'm stuck and do not know how to proceed at this point.
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Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

Hmm, an interesting set of circumstances in my opinion! :(

Unfortunately, non-compliance is just that non-compliance no matter how it's interpreted at the end of the day!

To that extent, you can only wait and see what your Command "shall do" or "shall not do" at this point in time!

Indeed, ranger2992 presented good advice as such to push for a referral into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process for sure; nothing to lose in reference to effort but a lot to gain in reference to potential military disability compensation! ;)

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
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gsfowler

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AR 600-9 is the regulation for body composition (like Geico I'm sure everyone knows this).

According to the regulation, (link here) http://www.apd.army.mil/pdffiles/r600_9.pdf , you are not automatically discharged from the Army. Read section 3-12 c)


On another note, the timeline that you have listed, shows more than satisfactory progress for the Army Body Composition Program, and it would not warrant a discharge or transfer to the IRR. A bar to reinlistment would be in place and you should be referred for medical evaluation.

Satisfactory progress is defined as 3-8 pounds in a six month period or about 1% per month, your timeline is good enough for a commander to retain you in my opinion.
 
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