DoDI 1332.45 RETENTION DETERMINATIONS FOR NON-DEPLOYABLE SERVICE MEMBERS

DoDI 1332.45 RETENTION DETERMINATIONS FOR NON-DEPLOYABLE SERVICE MEMBERS 2018-09-13

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Any idea how this will affect those found fit for full duty by a previous DES but worldwide limited? Will they force us to reenter the DES process? Currently serving on a navy NEC of 0091.
 
I'm wondering this as well. My PEB findings said fit but I'm non deployable and I haven't been since last November. Although I wanted to just get out, now I'm wondering why they found me fit since this whole thing came about. I emailed the distro on the NAVADMIN asking for guidance, they forwarded it to the senior medical officer so I guess I wait.
 
HCIC6Z said:
I'm wondering this as well. My PEB findings said fit but I'm non deployable and I haven't been since last November. Although I wanted to just get out, now I'm wondering why they found me fit since this whole thing came about. I emailed the distro on the NAVADMIN asking for guidance, they forwarded it to the senior medical officer so I guess I wait.
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Well they could of expected to find you worldwide deployable potentially and if not could be just because they're really hurting. Keep me informed if you hear anything back.

I emailed Mr. Harmon over at Pers who handles assigning and removing nec 0091 with questions about how to remove it and how this navadmin affects us and all he wrote back was
"Your medical provider will have to make the determination whether or not to refer you to the PEB a second time. Please give me a call if you have additional questions.

Very respectfully,

Detrick L. Harmon, MBA
Navy Personnel Command
Program Manager
Operational Screening / Assignment Limited"

So maybe you'll have more luck and get more insight.
 
I'll post what I get told if they email me back. As far as my findings I'll never get better, I have rheumatoid arthritis and it's only gotten worse over the years.
That's why I was confused on the Fit finding. But my evals literally played a role in the determination since they basically quoted my last E6 eval and said with this information we find you fit to continue.
 
Does this apply to medical Doctors. Trying to determine if it's worth appealing a Fit decision.
 
michi418 said:
Does this apply to medical Doctors. Trying to determine if it's worth appealing a Fit decision.
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Well I wouldn't worry about what the new directives say if you're still in the peb process. Just ask yourself do you want to stay in and if so can you do your job.
 
HCIC6Z said:
I'll post what I get told if they email me back. As far as my findings I'll never get better, I have rheumatoid arthritis and it's only gotten worse over the years.
That's why I was confused on the Fit finding. But my evals literally played a role in the determination since they basically quoted my last E6 eval and said with this information we find you fit to continue.
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Hi, Your case sounds similar to mine. I also have an autoimmune disorder that has progress and esssentially they found me fit based on my last Evaluation that occurred before my latest flare. I am debating if I should appeal the PEB finding. I still require a lot of restrictions if I go back to duty.
 
Navy released NAVADMIN 239/18 in response to this DODi

https://www.public.navy.mil/bupers-npc/reference/messages/Documents/NAVADMINS/NAV2018/nav18239.txt

UNCLASSIFIED//
ROUTINE
R 251810Z SEP 18
FM CNO WASHINGTON DC
TO NAVADMIN
INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC
BT UNCLAS
NAVADMIN 239/18
PASS TO OFFICE CODES: FM CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1// INFO CNO WASHINGTON DC//N1//
MSGID/GENADMIN/CNO WASHINGTON DC/N1/SEP//
SUBJ/DEPLOYABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ASSIGNMENT PROGRAM//
REF/A/DOC/25SEP18//
REF/B/DOC/30JUL18//
REF/C/DOC/21SEP18//
NARR/REF A IS OPNAVINST 1300.20, DEPLOYABILITY ASSESSMENT AND ASSIGNMENT PROGRAM. REF B IS DOD INSTRUCTION 1332.45, RETENTION DETERMINATIONS FOR NON- DEPLOYABLE SERVICE MEMBERS. REF C IS THE COMMANDING OFFICERS TOOL KIT.//
RMKS/1. This NAVADMIN announces reference (a), which establishes the Navy Deployability Assessment and Assignment Program. To improve personnel readiness across the force, this program will ensure the timely disposition, processing and accountability for Active Component (AC), full-time support (FTS) and Selected Reserve (SELRES) Service members who are either medically, legally or administratively limited from deployment.
2. The Deputy Chief of Naval Personnel (DCNP) is the single process owner of the Navy Deployability Assessment and Assignment Program. Assistant Commander, Navy Personnel Command for Career Management (PERS-4) is the AC and FTS Program Manager. Deputy Commander, Navy Reserve Force (DCNRF) is the SELRES Program Manager.
3. Commands are charged to proactively manage overall personnel readiness to meet force lethality objectives. Ultimately, it is the personal responsibility of every Sailor to maintain individual readiness, including medical, dental, physical and administrative (e.g., maintaining a family care plan) readiness. Medical deployability will be considered during each healthcare encounter.
4. A Sailor is deployable if he or she does not have a Service- determined reason that precludes him or her from deployment. References (a) and (b) provide guidance for assessment of the deployability of Service members, classification of that deployability and execution of the policy objectives of the Department of Defense with regard to increasing force lethality. Military treatment facilities (MTF) and commands will make deployability assessments by determining the ability of a Service member to perform appropriate military duties commensurate with his or her office, grade, rank and skill in light of ongoing medical treatment or administrative limitations.
5. The deployability of Sailors will be tracked by the respective AC/FTS and SELRES Deployability Assessment and Assignment Program Managers. Starting 1 October 2018, in line with reference (b), Sailors who have been non- deployable for 12 consecutive months will be notified of mandatory processing for administrative separation or referral to the Disability Evaluation System as appropriate. Reference (a) provides guidance on submitting requests for retention.
6. Commands will use written counseling and fitness reports/performance evaluations to document a Service members knowing failure to comply with responsibilities to maintain individual readiness (e.g., missing medical or dental appointments or intentional failure to disclose status affecting deployability). Maintaining medical readiness through prescribed healthcare encounters (e.g., PHA, annual dental exam, medical screenings in conjunction with PARFQ, etc.) is a key component of identifying and correcting non-deployable conditions. When Service members fail to maintain individual readiness by design or neglect, it results in a less lethal and deployable force. Accordingly, commands must be diligent in ensuring Service members meet obligations and document the failure of those who demonstrate an unwillingness to do so. Failure of a Service member to comply with this policy could ultimately result in administrative separation. MILPERSMAN 1610-015 and BUPERS 1610.10D update provide additional guidance.
7. Points of Contact: a. AC/FTS Program: Navy Personnel Command Deployability Assessment and Assignment Branch (PERS-454), CDR Kristina St. Clair at (901) 874-3201/DSN 882, CDR Valerie Quinn at (901) 874-3599, LT Ray Collier at (901) 874-4734 or via group e-mail at Mill_DAOPers- 454(at)navy.mil. b. SELRES Program: For additional guidance and questions, each member should contact his or her supporting Navy Reserve Activity. c. Bureau of Medicine and Surgery for Medical Readiness (BUMED M34), CAPT Marc Alaric Franzos at (703) 681-9085, Mr. Don Hall at (703) 681-9215, LT Nicole Gonzalez at (703) 681-5569 or via group e- mail at usn.ncr.bumedfchva.mbx.bumed-bumed-medical- readiness(at)mail.mil.
8. Released by Vice Admiral R. P. Burke, N1.//
BT #0001 NNNN UNCLASSIFIED//
 
michi418 said:
Hi, Your case sounds similar to mine. I also have an autoimmune disorder that has progress and esssentially they found me fit based on my last Evaluation that occurred before my latest flare. I am debating if I should appeal the PEB finding. I still require a lot of restrictions if I go back to duty.
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They came back and are giving me a formal PEB scheduled for November 8th. I'm just going to try to push for separation. I'll never make chief with my limitations and staying in for another 7 years til retirement just isn't in the cards for me. I don't want to explain to everyone along the way why I need PRT waivers or why I'm in pain.

I still haven't heard anything on if I'm subject to separation due to the new Instruction.
 
I'm in the Navy with nearly 13 years.
In 2011 I was diagnosed with a rare endocrine tumor called a pheochromocytoma. It was removed. Further scans determined I had some additional spots in my lungs. I had minor lung surgery in 2013. The doctor did not remove one of the spots because it was "too difficult" to get to. Earlier this year that spot had grown and I was referred out to a civilian surgeon. He stated that removing the last spot was simple. I had another surgery and came home. Since I was on a ship for this last surgery I went on LIMDU. I came off LIMDU early (I recovered quickly). My PCM said I was fit for full duty but recommended 1 shore duty assignment before going back to sea just because I should get scans every 12 months. I worked with the detailer and selected new orders. Somewhere along the way someone in Millington decided that I couldn't take those orders and recommended me for Med board. My question is that if all my doctors (PCM, surgeon and specialist) all say that I am fit for full duty then how can I be recommended for a Med Board? I have zero physical restrictions. I am not on any meds. I have no special doctors I regularly see. My PCM can order the required scans I need once a year. Strange enough, I am in better shape than I've almost ever been because I've had plenty of time to spend at the gym. Any advice?
 
HCIC6Z said:
They came back and are giving me a formal PEB scheduled for November 8th. I'm just going to try to push for separation. I'll never make chief with my limitations and staying in for another 7 years til retirement just isn't in the cards for me. I don't want to explain to everyone along the way why I need PRT waivers or why I'm in pain.

I still haven't heard anything on if I'm subject to separation due to the new Instruction.
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Hi HCIC6Z how did the board go. My FPEB is scheduled Nov 19.
 
I got the results I wanted and it went very very smooth. JAG called me right before the board and said they want to make a deal basically. I accepted and that was that. I hope everyone has the experience I had because I was nervous as all hell.
 
this is what I just received from the Air Force. Now has me worried. I am currently in the MEB process, currently awaiting my VA percentages which was said to be between Feb 2019 and june 2019. So does this new guidance over turn an MEB and they can just say ok the Commander recommended non rehabilitation? The way it read is they give it to the commander and he/she can recommend discharge or probation/rehabilitation and if recommended to be discharged there is no appeals to it. I am at 19 years this June 1 so now once again worried i'll be kicked out and wasted 19 years of my life.
 

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Pavetim said:
this is what I just received from the Air Force. Now has me worried. I am currently in the MEB process, currently awaiting my VA percentages which was said to be between Feb 2019 and june 2019. So does this new guidance over turn an MEB and they can just say ok the Commander recommended non rehabilitation? The way it read is they give it to the commander and he/she can recommend discharge or probation/rehabilitation and if recommended to be discharged there is no appeals to it. I am at 19 years this June 1 so now once again worried i'll be kicked out and wasted 19 years of my life.
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The way I read it is they have to refer you to the Disability Evaluation System OR the other options. My guess is if you are already in the disability evaluation system, that is the system you would stay in.
 
that's what I am hoping and not the other thing I was worried about which is finding a way to bypass the IDES and just saying ok we will discharge you now.
 
Pavetim said:
that's what I am hoping and not the other thing I was worried about which is finding a way to bypass the IDES and just saying ok we will discharge you now.
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because the memo gives one of three options and after each options says OR, I think you'll be covered by the IDES system. I think the memo is referring to people who haven't been addressed yet. Additionally, if I were you I would research the SAFPC appeals and LAS option if you don't get the desired outcome or the desired timeline.
 
Yeah I plan on appealing my VA ratings and then appealing every step of the way. I need to stretch it out which hopefully shouldn't be a problem if SAFPC appeal is still taking like 7-8 months.
 
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