I am completely confused between the DFAS Estimator and my own calculations

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nick11429

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Hello All,

Has anyone recently used the DFAS Disability Estimator for CSRC? I finally received my CSRC response after 11+ months and was awarded 90% combat related. I'm having issues coming u with a possible ballpark.

The DFAS Estimator is somewhat outdated, but at least I was hoping to get a general idea:
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VS my calculation of :

--5728.18 H-3
--8 yrs, 8 mo = 8.67 yrs
--8.67 x 2.5% = 21.675%
--5728.18 x 21.675 = 1241.58 longevity portion of retirement
--5728.18 x 60% = 3,436.00 ret pay--all waived via VA offset
--100% VA w/spouse & 3 c = 3,531.47
--CRSC approved 90% = 2189.68 (this is less than 1500.79 longevity portion of ret pay)
--CRSC Offset 3,436.00 - 1241.58 = 2194.42
--CRSC 2189.68 - 2194.42 = 0
--CRSC= 0





Which is the most accurate?

Thanks!
 
Your estimate:
5728.18 H-3
--8 yrs, 8 mo = 8.67 yrs
--8.67 x 2.5% = 21.675%
--5728.18 x 21.675 = 1241.58 longevity portion of retirement
--5728.18 x 60% = 3,436.00 ret pay--all waived via VA offset
--100% VA w/spouse & 3 c = 3,531.47
*--CRSC approved 90% = 2189.68 (this is less than 1500.79 longevity portion of ret pay)
**--CRSC Offset 3,436.00 - 1241.58 = 2194.42
***--CRSC 2189.68 - 2194.42 = 0
***--CRSC= 0

My computation:
*= CRSC approved 90% = 2189.68 (This is MORE than the 1241.58 longevity portion of retired pay)
** = VA OFFSET causes full waiver of retired pay — there is no residual retired pay
*** CRSC is the lesser of longevity portion or CRSC percentage rate for 90% = 1241.58 longevity

CRSC is 1241.58 based on figures you provided...I used your data. The DFAS calculator uses outdated figures and rates. The DFAS calculator presents a small amount of residual retired pay which was likely erased by higher VA comp rates now that cause an increase in VA offset.

Ron
 
Thank you RonG.

I used these calculations located here https://www.dfas.mil/dam/jcr:b6204e...ad06865/RetiredDisabilityIncomeEstimator.pptx. Are these formulas outdated/inaccurate? Everything seems to have been going well until this CRSC Offset and CRSC Calculation:

• Retired Pay Disability – Retired Pay YOS = CRSC Offset
• CRSC Award– CRSC Offset = CRSC Entitlement

I trust your calculation, I'm just trying to get some insights into the discrepancy.
 
Nick11429,

That set of instructions is old and does not include the change in law effective January 2013 that fixed what was termed the “CRSC Glitch” which reduced the amount of CRSC payable to certain CH 61 retirees. Mike Parker, from whom I learned much of what I know about CRSC, was one of the leaders in getting that law changed. He used to post on this board frequently.

Generally, CRSC for a CH 61 retiree with <20 AD or equivalent is the lesser (lower) of
1. Dollar amount of longevity portion of retired pay
OR
2. Dollar amount of the CRSC percentage approved by their service. The amount is found in the VA comp tables. If a retiree has a 60% CRSC approval and had a spouse, the 60% rate veteran with spouse would be that rate.
Note: Any residual retired pay remaining after the VA Offset (waiver amount) reduces the amount of CRSC payable. You had no residual retired pay.

Like anyone else, I can make mistakes. However, I have answered hundreds of CRSC and CRDP questions during the last five years on another site.

Good luck,
Ron
SGM (Ret.)
U.S. Army Finance Corps
 
Ron,
Thank you so much! I got off the phone with DFAS and they echoed exactly what you stated. That power point had me going crazy, they should take it down. Being that it came from DFAS and currently hosted on their site, I believed it to be authoritative. Thanks again for taking the time to help me out with this.

Nick
 
Can someone help me determine how much I will get based off my CRSC evaluation I just received:

I have been using the calculator and it had been giving me a higher number when I called in the guy said my max payout of CRSC would be $1,333.00 which means my current payout with 40% is $533.20.

Any help?
 

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nick11429 said:
Ron,
Thank you so much! I got off the phone with DFAS and they echoed exactly what you stated. That power point had me going crazy, they should take it down. Being that it came from DFAS and currently hosted on their site, I believed it to be authoritative. Thanks again for taking the time to help me out with this.

Nick
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Thank you for the update.

Ron
 
Hey Ron,

Can you in anyway verify through calculation what I might get through CRSC? I tried to do the math and to no avail. I used the online calculator to try and get a sense of it but the guy I called at DFAS said my payment would only be around $533.20. Since he said my max payment would be $1333.00 for CRSC he said 40% from that would be my payment. His he off (hopefully) or is the calculator online that far off?

Let me know what additional information you need.

YRS 9 years 2 months
Married
5 kids under 18
30% Military Disabled
40% CRSC
100% VA

Thank you in advance!
 
Ron
KiowaStetson said:
Hey Ron,

Can you in anyway verify through calculation what I might get through CRSC? I tried to do the math and to no avail. I used the online calculator to try and get a sense of it but the guy I called at DFAS said my payment would only be around $533.20. Since he said my max payment would be $1333.00 for CRSC he said 40% from that would be my payment. His he off (hopefully) or is the calculator online that far off?

Let me know what additional information you need.

YRS 9 years 2 months
Married
5 kids under 18
30% Military Disabled
40% CRSC
100% VA

Thank you in advance!
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KiowaStetson said:
Can someone help me determine how much I will get based off my CRSC evaluation I just received:

I have been using the calculator and it had been giving me a higher number when I called in the guy said my max payout of CRSC would be $1,333.00 which means my current payout with 40% is $533.20.

Any help?
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Estimate:
1---5690.53 x 30% DoD ret = 1707.16 (all waived due to 3000+ VA comp)
2--9.167 yrs x 2.5% = 22.9% multiplier
3--5690.53 x 22.9% = 1303.13 longevity portion of retired pay
4--40% CRSC, spouse & 5 children =842.90
5--item 4 is less than item 3
6--CRSC = 842.90

You will also receive your VA comp @ 3000+

Ron
 
RonG said:
Ron



Estimate:
1---5690.53 x 30% DoD ret = 1707.16 (all waived due to 3000+ VA comp)
2--9.167 yrs x 2.5% = 22.9% multiplier
3--5690.53 x 22.9% = 1303.13 longevity portion of retired pay
4--40% CRSC, spouse & 5 children =842.90
5--item 4 is less than item 3
6--CRSC = 842.90

You will also receive your VA comp @ 3000+

Ron
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Ron you rock! The DFAS pay guy freaked me out on the phone! Thank you!

*Edit* I still cannot figure out how you came up with $842.90. What did you multiply the 40% CRSC with?
 
Thanks...

This gives me something to do each day; I am 73.

Ron
 
Re: "Edit* I still cannot figure out how you came up with $842.90. What did you multiply the 40% CRSC with?"

Nothing.

The CRSC rate approved by the service mirrors the rates in the VA COMP TABLES. So...40% vet with spouse & 1 child = 714.90. 4 additional @ 32 = 128
714.90 + 128 = 842.90 CRSC in your case

This is nothing new...if the DFAS rep suggested the 40% would be multiplied to another figure...he/she needs retraining.

Ron
 
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Oh I gotcha! So after all my kids are finally grown and out of the house my payment would go back down. Makes sense!
 
KiowaStetson said:
Oh I gotcha! So after all my kids are finally grown and out of the house my payment would go back down. Makes sense!
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You are correct...take care.

Ron
 
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