Crsc back pay timeline

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armywife

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Hello,
I have a question (or 2 probably).

How long did it take people to get their CRSC back pay? My husband got his first CRSC payment on his last check for May 1. They said 30-45 days when he called. (Which takes forever to get through so he doesn’t want to ever call again.)
1. Is this timeline running true from other’s experience?
2. His CRSC start date on My Pay is March 2014. Does this mean the back pay will be back to then.. but capped out at 6 years becasue of the length limit?
3. Do we estimate the back pay by taking his new crsc pay times 6 years?
4. Will he get any paperwork or update or just wake up with a deposit in our account? Will there be any update on My Pay before he gets the money?
Thanks so much for any help.. it is much appreciated!
 
armywife said:
Hello,
I have a question (or 2 probably).

How long did it take people to get their CRSC back pay? My husband got his first CRSC payment on his last check for May 1. They said 30-45 days when he called. (Which takes forever to get through so he doesn’t want to ever call again.)
1. Is this timeline running true from other’s experience?
2. His CRSC start date on My Pay is March 2014. Does this mean the back pay will be back to then.. but capped out at 6 years becasue of the length limit?
3. Do we estimate the back pay by taking his new crsc pay times 6 years?
4. Will he get any paperwork or update or just wake up with a deposit in our account? Will there be any update on My Pay before he gets the money?
Thanks so much for any help.. it is much appreciated!
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On mine, they said 30-45 days for initial processing, and 60 days or more depending on the case, so it could be longer than 60 days.

I'm not sure on the rest, but just relaying what I was told over the phone.

I was paid my first this month and expect backpay to be much further down the road.

DFAS 'CRSC Pay Statement' changes every month on the 20th day, so around that time I would look for any change within the site.
 
Here's what I tell people:

1) 45-60 days for first check
60-90 days for retro pay
2) Retro pay goes back only a) 6 six years, b) retirement date, c) signing of a law making a condition "Presumptive" in nature by the VA OR whichever is most recent.
3) Close, you have to take into account COLA increases for each year:
  • January 2017 -- 0.3%
  • January 2018 -- 2.0%
  • January 2019 -- 2.8%
  • January 2020 -- 1.6%
  • January 2021 -- 1.3%
  • January 2022 -- 5.9%
  • January 2023 -- 8.7%
So if you multiply the current pay rate by 91.3% you will get last year's rate, then last year's rate by 94.1% to get 2021 rate, etc

Now, that's just the COLA adjustments, that doesn't take into account step adjustments for DoD that occur every 2 years on the anniversary of your PEBD, not to mention any promotions that occur during that timeframe.

4) You *might* see a CRSC Statement in myPay up to a week before the deposit. But I have heard people see a chunk of money deposited without notification, in my friend's case, he got his initial retirement pay including retro since it was a reserve retirement at age 60 and it was a couple months later than his age 60 date.
 
Moscovium 115 said:
On mine, they said 30-45 days for initial processing, and 60 days or more depending on the case, so it could be longer than 60 days.

I'm not sure on the rest, but just relaying what I was told over the phone.

I was paid my first this month and expect backpay to be much further down the road.

DFAS 'CRSC Pay Statement' changes every month on the 20th day, so around that time I would look for any change within the site.
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Thank you. That is helpful to know about the 20th date. It is all such a mystery.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
Here's what I tell people:

1) 45-60 days for first check
60-90 days for retro pay
2) Retro pay goes back only a) 6 six years, b) retirement date, c) signing of a law making a condition "Presumptive" in nature by the VA OR whichever is most recent.
3) Close, you have to take into account COLA increases for each year:
  • January 2017 -- 0.3%
  • January 2018 -- 2.0%
  • January 2019 -- 2.8%
  • January 2020 -- 1.6%
  • January 2021 -- 1.3%
  • January 2022 -- 5.9%
  • January 2023 -- 8.7%
So if you multiply the current pay rate by 91.3% you will get last year's rate, then last year's rate by 94.1% to get 2021 rate, etc

Now, that's just the COLA adjustments, that doesn't take into account step adjustments for DoD that occur every 2 years on the anniversary of your PEBD, not to mention any promotions that occur during that timeframe.

4) You *might* see a CRSC Statement in myPay up to a week before the deposit. But I have heard people see a chunk of money deposited without notification, in my friend's case, he got his initial retirement pay including retro since it was a reserve retirement at age 60 and it was a couple months later than his age 60 date.
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Thanks for letting all of us know. My wife is still waiting on her CRSC backpay and its only 3-4 months but every bit helps.
 
Provis said:
Thanks for letting all of us know. My wife is still waiting on her CRSC backpay and its only 3-4 months but every bit helps.
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It's a crapshoot at DFAS as you know, my friend. I've seen several people get their retro within days of hitting 90. Nice thing is that it doesn't have to be the beginning of the month: it can be any business day :)
 
armywife said:
Thank you. That is helpful to know about the 20th date. It is all such a mystery.
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I checked on that with another Army buddy of mine: to verify the dates of the update period.

You also see that date under "Statement Effective Date" from the printer friendly version of your pay statement.

Your pay will be every 1st of the next month or earlier depending on holidays, but that's the rough idea, and no worries.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
Here's what I tell people:

1) 45-60 days for first check
60-90 days for retro pay
2) Retro pay goes back only a) 6 six years, b) retirement date, c) signing of a law making a condition "Presumptive" in nature by the VA OR whichever is most recent.
3) Close, you have to take into account COLA increases for each year:
  • January 2017 -- 0.3%
  • January 2018 -- 2.0%
  • January 2019 -- 2.8%
  • January 2020 -- 1.6%
  • January 2021 -- 1.3%
  • January 2022 -- 5.9%
  • January 2023 -- 8.7%
So if you multiply the current pay rate by 91.3% you will get last year's rate, then last year's rate by 94.1% to get 2021 rate, etc

Now, that's just the COLA adjustments, that doesn't take into account step adjustments for DoD that occur every 2 years on the anniversary of your PEBD, not to mention any promotions that occur during that timeframe.

4) You *might* see a CRSC Statement in myPay up to a week before the deposit. But I have heard people see a chunk of money deposited without notification, in my friend's case, he got his initial retirement pay including retro since it was a reserve retirement at age 60 and it was a couple months later than his age 60 date.
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Ok, that makes sense about needing to account for the COLA increases. And your best guess is 60-90 days for backpay from the initial approval? The approval letter is dated March 30.

Thanks so much.
 
armywife said:
Thank you. That is helpful to know about the 20th date. It is all such a mystery.
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It'll be 7 days prior to deposit date, so, figure anywhere between the 20th and 23rd depending on holidays, number of days in the month, etc
 
armywife said:
Ok, that makes sense about needing to account for the COLA increases. And your best guess is 60-90 days for backpay from the initial approval? The approval letter is dated March 30.

Thanks so much.
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60-90 days from initial pay deposit
 
armywife said:
Ok, that makes sense about needing to account for the COLA increases. And your best guess is 60-90 days for backpay from the initial approval? The approval letter is dated March 30.

Thanks so much.
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The confusing thing about the backdate is that it the CRSC statement says March 2014 is the first date. Will the back pay go that far (limited by the 6 years) or the date that it became presumptive? The lady at DFAS said it would go back to 2014. Is this correct? His condition is listed on the PACT Act stuff. Thanks sorry for all the questions but that is a big difference in pay to think about.
 
armywife said:
The confusing thing about the backdate is that it the CRSC statement says March 2014 is the first date. Will the back pay go that far (limited by the 6 years) or the date that it became presumptive? The lady at DFAS said it would go back to 2014. Is this correct? His condition is listed on the PACT Act stuff. Thanks sorry for all the questions but that is a big difference in pay to think about.
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Current legal limit is six years, max, no matter what, EXCEPT under rare circumstances have I seen it paid out for more than six years. One reason would be an initial claim being denied and subsequently approved years down the road. I do know that the six-year rule is in litigation with higher courts (might even be at the USSC for that matter) arguing that it's arbitrary. So, since DFAS does the paying, not the service branch, it goes by the law as DFAS was directed. I hope it changes. Why it's dated back to 2014 in his case is for just that reason: they don't determine pay, they determine eligibility.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
Current legal limit is six years, max, no matter what, EXCEPT under rare circumstances have I seen it paid out for more than six years. One reason would be an initial claim being denied and subsequently approved years down the road. I do know that the six-year rule is in litigation with higher courts (might even be at the USSC for that matter) arguing that it's arbitrary. So, since DFAS does the paying, not the service branch, it goes by the law as DFAS was directed. I hope it changes. Why it's dated back to 2014 in his case is for just that reason: they don't determine pay, they determine eligibility.
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Hmm, what I mean, and I am sure I am not saying it in the best way... since the approval date on the CRSC approval letter and in DFAS says March 2014, even though the condition was not presumptive until the PACT Act (that I know of) (unless maybe there is something else)... will the back pay go back the 6 years, or the time since the PACT Act was passed. The lady at DFAS also says 2014 but I don't understand. It is just that is a huge difference in money from Aug 2022 till now OR at the 6 year limit, you know?
Thanks so much
 
armywife said:
Hmm, what I mean, and I am sure I am not saying it in the best way... since the approval date on the CRSC approval letter and in DFAS says March 2014, even though the condition was not presumptive until the PACT Act (that I know of) (unless maybe there is something else)... will the back pay go back the 6 years, or the time since the PACT Act was passed. The lady at DFAS also says 2014 but I don't understand. It is just that is a huge difference in money from Aug 2022 till now OR at the 6 year limit, you know?
Thanks so much
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My stuff was odd also, but it doesn't go back far, like yours.

The Army marked it down for a start date of June 2022 and my retirement date is May 2022, so I'm still scratching my head of what presumptives were even used, and I speculate that the PACT Act presumptives weren't used at all, in my case, because PACT Act crossed the finish line somewhere in August 2022.

Either way, I'm at a loss myself, so don't worry, you guys have company in the confusion boat XD...
 
Yeah, August period:

"The PACT Act is the most significant expansion of Veteran benefits and care in more than three decades, empowering VA to help millions of toxic exposed Veterans and their survivors. Since President Biden signed the PACT Act into law Aug. 10, more than 213,000 PACT Act-related claims for benefits have been submitted. Additionally, more than 959,000 Veterans have received VA’s new toxic exposure screenings, with nearly 39% reporting a concern of exposure."

Source:
www.va.gov

VA.gov | Veterans Affairs

Apply for and manage the VA benefits and services you’ve earned as a Veteran, Servicemember, or family member—like health care, disability, education, and more.
www.va.gov www.va.gov
 
Moscovium 115 said:
My stuff was odd also, but it doesn't go back far, like yours.

The Army marked it down for a start date of June 2022 and my retirement date is May 2022, so I'm still scratching my head of what presumptives were even used, and I speculate that the PACT Act presumptives weren't used at all, in my case, because PACT Act crossed the finish line somewhere in August 2022.

Either way, I'm at a loss myself, so don't worry, you guys have company in the confusion boat XD...
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So strange. Also, he actually retired in 2009
With this same main condition as 100 percent back then.
 
armywife said:
So strange. Also, he actually retired in 2009
With this same main condition as 100 percent back then.
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Well, some of this CRSC stuff doesn't necessarily need to be connected to a presumptive to be accepted into the CRSC program.

As long as you can connect it to be determined as combat-related under CRSC protocols/guidelines or you would assume as much at least.

The presumptives help though, like tinnitus, it's a presumptive as an Organic Disease within 38 C.F.R. and they connect it as IN (Instrument of War) and that presumptive was added back in the 90s.(1999?)

You would think, that you would be able to claim that contention for pay all the way back to the 6 year limit if it was accepted by the CRSC program, but that contention is only 10% rated at a maximum; then you just look at the other ones, and on and on it goes.

Somebody on here can explain it better I'm sure, just ask in a separate thread and continue the inquiry in a different fashion or hit up the VBN site with the question.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
Here's what I tell people:

3) Close, you have to take into account COLA increases for each year:
  • January 2017 -- 0.3%
  • January 2018 -- 2.0%
  • January 2019 -- 2.8%
  • January 2020 -- 1.6%
  • January 2021 -- 1.3%
  • January 2022 -- 5.9%
  • January 2023 -- 8.7%
So if you multiply the current pay rate by 91.3% you will get last year's rate, then last year's rate by 94.1% to get 2021 rate, etc
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I have done it only twice and don't envision doing it again. My method is a bit different, but same result.

Example: To find the amount the for 12 months prior to the COLA increase for 1-31 December 2022, new amount divided by 1.87% = rate effective on 1 December 2021(and paid 1 January approximately).

Regarding, "Now, that's just the COLA adjustments, that doesn't take into account step adjustments for DoD that occur every 2 years on the anniversary of your PEBD, not to mention any promotions that occur during that timeframe." I might have misinterpreted this statement and/or the purpose of "backing out" of the COLA increases. I did for for the longevity portion of retired pay, reduced for prior years not having the same COLA increases. The step adjustments do not apply to someone already in a retired status. If they did, my retired pay after 30+ years and resulting CRSC would be significantly higher than what it today, after only COLA increases.

Good math on the COLA increases and reduction for prior years. Your post will be useful for referral.

Ron
 
RonG said:
I have done it only twice and don't envision doing it again. My method is a bit different, but same result.

Example: To find the amount the for 12 months prior to the COLA increase for 1-31 December 2022, new amount divided by 1.87% = rate effective on 1 December 2021(and paid 1 January approximately).

Regarding, "Now, that's just the COLA adjustments, that doesn't take into account step adjustments for DoD that occur every 2 years on the anniversary of your PEBD, not to mention any promotions that occur during that timeframe." I might have misinterpreted this statement and/or the purpose of "backing out" of the COLA increases. I did for for the longevity portion of retired pay, reduced for prior years not having the same COLA increases. The step adjustments do not apply to someone already in a retired status. If they did, my retired pay after 30+ years and resulting CRSC would be significantly higher than what it today, after only COLA increases.

Good math on the COLA increases and reduction for prior years. Your post will be useful for referral.

Ron
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My intent here was in calculating the high-36, esp if the individual recently retired, probably not applicable in OP's case as you noted :) But yeah, imagine if we had the two-year step adjustments?!? lol
 
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