2019 AGR MEB Timeline, 1405 points

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Here is my timeline. I am an AGR with understanding of 1405 points and how it is applied. Hope this helps someone!
I appealed at every level since I was dragging my feet to make 20 TAFMS, which I did by 1 month 25 days. The MEB process is supposedly getting shorter

14 May - MEB results. (2 days)
16 may - MEB elections due to PEBLO
04 Jun - MEB package at AFPC
17 Jul - Email message that states both AF and VA ratings sent to PEBLO
28 Aug - Actually received AF and VA ratings
Appealed PEB ratings
06 Sep - Form 1180 ( Formal appeal form) due back to PEBLO
24 Sep - Formal PEB appointment. Did not go to San Antonio. Was going to complete a phone interview. The PEB decided to approve appeal before scheduled appointment. Notified by OAC lawyer.
This action did take away the option to appeal to SECAF. I was able to complete a VARR Appeal for a VA rating.
30 Sep - VARR appeal to VA
05 Nov - VARR results
06 Nov - AFPC case manger called and we set up a retirement date based off 10 days to out-process, 20 days PDTY (House and/or job hunting), and saved leave.

1405 points - As an AGR (active duty), you can only apply the 1405 points after you reach 20 TAFMS. You can not use the points to make 20 TAFMS whatsoever. You are in a 365 year for Active duty, and a 360 day year for traditional guardsman. If you are traditional guardsman and will not make 20 TAFMS (365 day year), you get to add those points to retirement that you will receive at age 60.

I was rated at 90% AF, if you meet 80% or more from your service, you will be permanently retired, instead of a temporary retirement.
IAW DoDM 1332.18-V1, enclosure 4, para 2.a, permanently retire Service members who receive
a rating of 80 percent or greater for a permanent and stable condition(s)

Feel free to contact me if you have any questions. I'll be more than happy to help.
 
Hello! I know this is an older post, but I have some questions for my AGR Husband.

He is just beginning the Medboard Process. We believed his retirement date to be March 5 2023. He has been told that with his 1405 points, that date is moved to October 1, 2022. Im hoping you may help me figure out if that is the case. With the availability to roll over 120 days, plus the 30 days- we believe he could try to get his AD retirement. (He is just beginning the process and we would only need to make it 10 months.

Any advise or tips?
 
so_mage said:
Hello! I know this is an older post, but I have some questions for my AGR Husband.

He is just beginning the Medboard Process. We believed his retirement date to be March 5 2023. He has been told that with his 1405 points, that date is moved to October 1, 2022. Im hoping you may help me figure out if that is the case. With the availability to roll over 120 days, plus the 30 days- we believe he could try to get his AD retirement. (He is just beginning the process and we would only need to make it 10 months.

Any advise or tips?
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This is outside of my expertise, but I found:

1405 Time – IDT points earned while a member of the Reserve Component that is used to increase the multiplier of a Regular retirement.
•May only be used AFTER acquiring 20 years of active service
•Will not be used to create 20 years of active service, except for disability retirements.
•Points cannot exceed maximum IDT points allowed or 365/366 points total for the retirement year1405 Time

Reference: https://www.nj.gov/military/hro/agr/docs/ARNG AGR Retirement brief cdn Jan 13.pdf <---LINK

cc: @Provis @Guardguy11

Ron
 
GREAT LINK!!!

It actually DOES say "except for disability retirements." Which is what my other research found as well.

Thank you!
 
so_mage said:
GREAT LINK!!!

It actually DOES say "except for disability retirements." Which is what my other research found as well.

Thank you!
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Hello,

The two people I copied on the post have a significant degree of knowledge regarding NG/Reserve matters. I do not...

Good luck,
Ron
 
I’m an AGR working through the IDES process, if you read the computation of service section it title 10 it looks to me like 1405 time can be used to make it to the 20 year mark, only for medical retirement. I called the office of disability council to verify this and they agreed?
 
Here are some of the references I have found on the topic:


Title 10 1201
an
(3)either—
(A)the member has at least 20 years of service computed under section 1208 of this title; or

Title 10 U.S.C. § 1208
(a)For the purposes of this chapter, a member of a regular component shall be credited with the service described in paragraph (1) or that described in paragraph (2), whichever is greater:
(1)The service that he is considered to have for the purpose of separation, discharge, or retirement for length of service.
(2) The sum of—
(A) his active service as a member of the armed forces, a nurse, a reserve nurse, a contract surgeon, a contract dental surgeon, or an acting dental surgeon;
(B) his active service as a member of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration or the Public Health Service; and
(C) his service while participating in exercises or performing duties under sections 502, 503, 504, and 505 of title 32.

Title 32
32 U.S. Code § 502 - Required drills and field exercises

32 U.S. Code § 503 - Participation in field exercises

32 U.S. Code § 504 - National Guard schools and small arms competitions

32 U.S. Code § 505 - Army and Air Force schools and field exercises


From an army website

Summary
The Department of Defense (DoD) compensates Soldiers who are retired for physical disability (Title 10 USC Ch. 61). The Secretary of the Army (SA) may retire a regular component Soldier who is deemed physically unfit to perform their duties as the result of an injury incurred in the line of duty. To qualify for disability retirement, the Soldier must have completed at least 20 years of creditable service , in accordance with 10 USC 1208, or have service-connected disabilities that caused the Soldier to be unfit for duty and amount to a combined disability rating of 30 percent or more. The 20-year threshold established by 10 USC 1208 includes Reserve "equivalent duty service" (the product of the Soldier's membership and Inactive Duty Training (IDT) points divided by 360). This service is applicable to Regular Soldiers with former Reserve Service.



From the 15 year Pre-retirement Brief (Ohio)
1405 Time – IDT points earned while a member of the Reserve Component used to increase the percentage of base pay multiplier of a Regular retirement.
• Used to determine Non-regular retirement eligibility
• For regular retirement the points count AFTER acquiring 20 years of active service
• May be used to reach 20 years of active service for disability retirements.
• Points cannot exceed 365/366 points total per retirement year
 
As everyone has said. The 1405 points can be used towards an active duty retirement only for disability retirements for RC. Everyone focuses on getting to 20 year AC retirement but there is another benefit to this. This can help when calculating a disability payment when the longevity is higher than the DOD disability percentage.
 
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