Adjustment Disorder news

screaming eagle said:
Sorry to bother you again. I have nobody else that is of help here.....

My AD with depressed mood got added to 3947 around Oct 2012 after my NARSUM and VA C&P exam. I was then referred to a specialist and got diagnosed with PTSD and was put on Celexa. So for the army side, Is it considered unfitting automatically?

I am already at 40% from Army for my two unfitting conditions and was getting medically retired before all this mess happened.

Thank u !!!
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Here is the other thing. I just noticed that you mentioned that you have, what we call, a comorbid condition. That is, you have adjustment disorder (with depressed mood). That changes things and they will most likely allow this to complete. We've been told that if you have adjustment disorder along with another behavioral health issue, you can be sent to the PEB. Since this is the criteria for being uploaded to the PEB, it stands to reason that if the case is already there, you should be allowed to finish and separate.
PTSD is not automatically unfitting. You could potentially request, through your legal people there at your post, this new condition to be added to your case because you feel it fails retention standards. The MEB would look at it and decide if it does fail. If it does, you could have the case brought back to the MEB. Please talk to your legal folks and your PEBLO. Since this was sent up back in October, it would be worth looking into.
 
Caddilac24 said:
On which form the da 199 or the da3947?
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They will review the DA199's to see if you had an adjustment disorder that they think meets the new criteria of failing retention standards. Your DA3947 will not go up unless it has the new addendum addressing adjustment disorder, or the behavioral health NARSUM addresses the key points outlined in the new criteria.
 
PEBLO11 said:
They will review the DA199's to see if you had an adjustment disorder that they think meets the new criteria of failing retention standards. Your DA3947 will not go up unless it has the new addendum addressing adjustment disorder, or the behavioral health NARSUM addresses the key points outlined in the new criteria.
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Looking at a copy of my 199 that my peblo emailed me before they put everything on hold....
section lV adjustment disorder with mix anxiety and depress mood are conditions not constituting a physical disability..... Hope that means I'm in the clear....thank you so much you been very helpful through this whole process... We need more like u guys..
 
PEBLO11 said:
The PEB should review all of these and if your case doesn't show a chronic disorder, then you will likely go on to separate. As far as the updates on AKO, as an FYI, that information is entered by your PEBLO at the MEB, and you are counting on information being entered by someone else at the PEB. Your PEBLO should be able to look at ePEB and tell you what is in the transaction history. There may be something newer there.
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I got my 199 around april 4 put in hold imediately because the change in the policy, i had adjustment disorder with anxiaty and I believe VA rate it at 10% what you think will happen next in my case?
 
PEBLO11 said:
PTSD is not automatically unfitting. You could potentially request, through your legal people there at your post, this new condition to be added to your case because you feel it fails retention standards. The MEB would look at it and decide if it does fail. If it does, you could have the case brought back to the MEB. Please talk to your legal folks and your PEBLO. Since this was sent up back in October, it would be worth looking into.
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Why does a condition have to fail retention standards to be added to the case? Doesn't the MEB have to cover all conditions and does not the PEB have to consider fitness on all conditions, both individually and collectively?
Mike
 
maparker said:
Why does a condition have to fail retention standards to be added to the case? Doesn't the MEB have to cover all conditions and does not the PEB have to consider fitness on all conditions, both individually and collectively?
Mike
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I'm talking about after the case has been through the VA C&P and NARSUM. If you're asking why that's the policy, then I don't have an answer since it is policy.
 
Signal Warrior said:
I got my 199 around april 4 put in hold imediately because the change in the policy, i had adjustment disorder with anxiaty and I believe VA rate it at 10% what you think will happen next in my case?
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Signal Warrior said:
I got my 199 around april 4 put in hold imediately because the change in the policy, i had adjustment disorder with anxiaty and I believe VA rate it at 10% what you think will happen next in my case?
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I talked to one of the PEBLO's in the office and he said that he saw my package and that the MTF has it doing what they got to do so hopefully I would receive good news soon, feeling a little bit optimist right now.
 
PEBLO11 said:
I'm talking about after the case has been through the VA C&P and NARSUM. If you're asking why that's the policy, then I don't have an answer since it is policy.
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I think the policy violates the law. I guess time and a lawsuit of two will tell for sure.

Mike
 
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but the vast majority of these cases are not going to merit an unfit finding. The criteria to be unfit is, in my opinion, much higher than the criteria for PTSD. You will need to have had a history of hospitalizations, and/or having a profile that requires you to be in a "protected environment." That means no guns, no military training, etc.
I will also tell you that there was a VTC today that ended with more questions than answers about how the PEBs were going to proceed in implementation. It is going to be a rocky rollercoaster for a while. Changes were coming down frequently since yesterday.
 
PEBLO11 said:
I don't want to be a wet blanket, but the vast majority of these cases are not going to merit an unfit finding. The criteria to be unfit is, in my opinion, much higher than the criteria for PTSD. You will need to have had a history of hospitalizations, and/or having a profile that requires you to be in a "protected environment." That means no guns, no military training, etc.
I will also tell you that there was a VTC today that ended with more questions than answers about how the PEBs were going to proceed in implementation. It is going to be a rocky rollercoaster for a while. Changes were coming down frequently since yesterday.
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And yet the military discharged tens of thousands for "adjustment disorder" over the years that would not have even come close to meeting the standard discussed above. Now that it is to be compensated, suddenly the standard is much higher. Will this "hospitalization/protective environment" be the same standard for administratively separating individuals for non chronic adjustment disorder?

The standard above is, from what I understand, the retention standard for CAD, not the fitness standard. And, per DoDI 1332.38 and 10 USC 1216a, the PEB can find an individual unfit even if the condition meets retention standards. Fitness determination is the sole prerogative of the PEB and, by law, the PEB needs to consider all conditions regardless if the meet retention standards or not. Thus if a member has CAD, the PEB needs to assess the fitness impact regardless if the CAD meets retention standards or not.

I understand this is a mess to sort through and many have no problem with their CAD being deemed fitting. However, if a soldier has CAD they should have the right to take the issue to a formal PEB if they chose to do so. If not, they are denied a full and fair hearing that is required by law.

Mike
 
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I received a call from my PEBLO today asking me to meet with her on Monday so she can counsel me refence the new guidance on Adjustment Disorder. Has anyone been counseled by their PEBLO in reference to the new guidance on Adjustment Disorder? If yes, please let me know the purpose of the counseling.
 
adonis06 said:
I received a call from my PEBLO today asking me to meet with her on Monday so she can counsel me refence the new guidance on Adjustment Disorder. Has anyone been counseled by their PEBLO in reference to the new guidance on Adjustment Disorder? If yes, please let me know the purpose of the counseling.
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I have not been counseled yet; however, my PEBLO (JBLM) did call me on Wednesday, told me about the VTC meeting on Friday, and that she would be calling me on Monday to discuss the road ahead. Sounds pretty comparable to your experience.
 
PEBLO11 said:
Here is the other thing. I just noticed that you mentioned that you have, what we call, a comorbid condition. That is, you have adjustment disorder (with depressed mood). That changes things and they will most likely allow this to complete. We've been told that if you have adjustment disorder along with another behavioral health issue, you can be sent to the PEB. Since this is the criteria for being uploaded to the PEB, it stands to reason that if the case is already there, you should be allowed to finish and separate.
PTSD is not automatically unfitting. You could potentially request, through your legal people there at your post, this new condition to be added to your case because you feel it fails retention standards. The MEB would look at it and decide if it does fail. If it does, you could have the case brought back to the MEB. Please talk to your legal folks and your PEBLO. Since this was sent up back in October, it would be worth looking into.
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Peblo11 you need to be promoted or rewarded in some sort of way cause you always take from your own time to answer any questions and you answer them pretty fast and dont let them sit there for like a week or so. And also thanks for this answer cause i have AD w/ Anxiety on my NARSUM so hopefully my case will go thru quick, my PEBLO was already able to see my proposed VA ratings so im guessing my case is really close to being done since it already came back from VA and its probably been sitting at the PEB for the lenght of this entire "HOLD" duration. Thanks again!!!
 
All these days my PEBLO was telling me he doesnt know why its taking them so long to get the result of my va reconsideration request and the separation orders....

My PEBLO didnot even know that I had AD on my 3947 till three days ago.... i was the one who brought to his notice after reading the topic on this forum...

Since he wasnt tracking this, Do you know if he should have done something about it when the holdup took place...
I just do not want my PEBLO to add to the misery...

I made all my plans...got job lined up...am still here and saw an email from a friend saying he cant keep the my job position open for any longer than 2-3 weeks from now.

Thanks a lott everyone and PEBLO11 special thanks to u !!!
 
screaming eagle said:
All these days my PEBLO was telling me he doesnt know why its taking them so long to get the result of my va reconsideration request and the separation orders....

My PEBLO didnot even know that I had AD on my 3947 till three days ago.... i was the one who brought to his notice after reading the topic on this forum...

Since he wasnt tracking this, Do you know if he should have done something about it when the holdup took place...
I just do not want my PEBLO to add to the misery...

I made all my plans...got job lined up...am still here and saw an email from a friend saying he cant keep the my job position open for any longer than 2-3 weeks from now.

Thanks a lott everyone and PEBLO11 special thanks to u !!!
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Off topic but if I may ask, have you received the results from your VA rating reconsideration (VARR)? If so or not, how long has it been since your VARR request submittal?

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
First, thanks again for the kind words. I like what I do, and figure I should do something extra for those who may not be getting the best advice. VARR's have been running around a month and a half or so. Your PEBLO not knowing you had adjustment disorder is ridiculous. Thee is no excuse. That being said, up to this point it has only been a hold up since they (OTSG< PEB & MEDCOM) didn't know what they were going to do with it. Now that they know, it is the PEB that will decide whether or not to return your case to the MTF that did your MEB for further action. If you talk to your PEBLO, tell him to look at the Transaction history under your case file at the ePEB. That will give you an idea if it will be returned. If it is not showing yet, it may not be returned or they just haven't gotten to it yet.
Even for cases that are returned for adjustment disorder, you will not have to start all over again. Once it is sorted out, you will pick up where you left off.
 
Warrior644 said:
Off topic but if I may ask, have you received the results from your VA rating reconsideration (VARR)? If so or not, how long has it been since your VARR request submittal?

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
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I am sorry.... I should have posted all the information the very first time....I shouldnt have wasted all the member's time... This is my story...
I was actually put in MEB for bilateral stress fractures in August 2012... Also I had back pain and other issues on my 3947.... According to Narsum and C&P, My stress fracture was the only condition unfitting .. After that I went through the legal services and ended up adding AD with depressed mood condition to my 3947....

I received my unfit memorandum in JAN 2013... and received my
20% DoD (for stress fractures) and 60% VA ratings (including 20% for back)...

So I requested formal board based on new evidence and succeeded in getting my back condition unfitting even before the hearing and thereby receiving
40% DoD (20 stress fx and 20 back) and 60% VA...

But with the medical evidence and ROM studies, I requested for one time VA reconsideration for my back as I am eligible for 40% for my back. This was sent up on 27 March... Me and my PEBLO thought we were waiting on the outcome of the reconsideration request submitted all these days... and therefore waiting for separation message.

I was reading the forum and came across this AD situation and called my PEBLO about it and he was like
"Oh, I did not know you had AD on 3947 all these days...Then that might be the reason we are still waiting...I thought they were addressing the conditions you brought up during the EXIT INTERVIEW with the VA for final disposition".
It was on the second page of 3947 and he never saw it till I told him.

Coming back to the AD, I was referred to the specialist and am diagnosed with PTSD... My NARSUM and C&P will not reflect this as they were done before these conditions were added on 3947... But I brought it up with my VA REP during the exit interview on APRIL 3rd 2013...

Me and my PEBLO have no clue what is going to happen with my :
1. VA RATINGS Reconsideration Request
2. AD situation and PTSD

Please let me know if I am missing some information that you might need.

Thanks !!!
 
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Warrior644 said:
Off topic but if I may ask, have you received the results from your VA rating reconsideration (VARR)? If so or not, how long has it been since your VARR request submittal?

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
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screaming eagle said:
I am sorry.... I should have posted all the information the very first time....I shouldnt have wasted all the member's time... This is my story...
I was actually put in MEB for bilateral stress fractures in August 2012... Also I had back pain and other issues on my 3947.... According to Narsum and C&P, My stress fracture was the only condition unfitting .. After that I went through the legal services and ended up adding AD with depressed mood condition to my 3947....

I received my unfit memorandum in JAN 2013... and received my
20% DoD (for stress fractures) and 60% VA ratings (including 20% for back)...

So I requested formal board based on new evidence and succeeded in getting my back condition unfitting even before the hearing and thereby receiving
40% DoD (20 stress fx and 20 back) and 60% VA...

But with the medical evidence and ROM studies, I requested for one time VA reconsideration for my back as I am eligible for 40% for my back. This was sent up on 27 March... Me and my PEBLO thought we were waiting on the outcome of the reconsideration request submitted all these days... and therefore waiting for separation message.

I was reading the forum and came across this AD situation and called my PEBLO about it and he was like
"Oh, I did not know you had AD on 3947 all these days...Then that might be the reason we are still waiting...I thought they were addressing the conditions you brought up during the EXIT INTERVIEW with the VA for final disposition".
It was on the second page of 3947 and he never saw it till I told him.

Coming back to the AD, I was referred to the specialist and am diagnosed with PTSD... My NARSUM and C&P will not reflect this as they were done before these conditions were added on 3947... But I brought it up with my VA REP during the exit interview on APRIL 3rd 2013...

Me and my PEBLO have no clue what is going to happen with my :
1. VA RATINGS Reconsideration Request
2. AD situation and PTSD

Please let me know if I am missing some information that you might need.

Thanks !!!
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No worries, it's all good; and I appreciate your detailed feedback. :)

Hopefully, your situation shall be resolved soon, too! ;)

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
This is taking a lot longer then I though. I was suppose to retire 3 days before this happened and now my life is on hold. Nice thing is that they didn't make me go back to my company but still. Now is there any chance this will increase my VA percentage which is at 90% to 100% or will my percentages most likely stay the same? They say my condition is chronic but it meets retention standards.
 
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