- Hello everyone, I am looking for clarification in my future pay (I looked all over these Forms). I hope someone WAS in my situation (AGR w/National Guard)and can tell me what they received....Last month received my 199, and I accepted its findings w/o wanting to appeal Discharge date is in APR. I spoke to counsel and they agreed with findings so no appeals. Now I am getting conflicting answers on my possible pay based on a few factors: My Active Duty Time (19y 6m), My total time in the Military (25y 11m), and my 1405 time (20y 10m). The focus of my question is my 1405 time. Since it is over 20y do I qualify for CRDP?? Using the following statement
DFAS/CRDP): "you are a disability retiree who earned entitlement to retired pay under any provision of law other than solely by disability, and you have a VA disability rating of 50 percent or greater. You might become eligible for CRDP at the time you would have become eligible for retired pay". In addition I have read the 10 US Code & 1405, and all links of 10 US Codes listed. Noted my disability ratings for DOD and VA are greater than 50% as well... Thanks in advance for your responses..
AGR w/20y 10m calculated 1405 time will I get CRDP??
Hello @Smwier
It is my understanding that IDT points may only be added to final active service total once the retiree has attained 20 years of active service.
However, the Army National Guard site states
“1405 Time – IDT points earned while a member of the Reserve Component that is used to increase the multiplier of a Regular retirement.
•May only be used AFTER acquiring 20 years of AS
•It will not be used to create 20 years of AS, except for medical retirements. “
comment: *That means CH 61 retirements.*Ron
cc: @Provis and @Guardguy11
Ron
Edited to add: CRDP for reserve retirement requires 20 year letter and attainment of the age requirement and approval of your application for reserve Retirement as you near age 60 (can be reduced). That approval triggers CRDP by DFAS if otherwise eligible.
Also, see this related thread: 2019 AGR MEB Timeline, 1405 points <—-Link
It is my understanding that IDT points may only be added to final active service total once the retiree has attained 20 years of active service.
However, the Army National Guard site states
“1405 Time – IDT points earned while a member of the Reserve Component that is used to increase the multiplier of a Regular retirement.
•May only be used AFTER acquiring 20 years of AS
•It will not be used to create 20 years of AS, except for medical retirements. “
comment: *That means CH 61 retirements.*Ron
cc: @Provis and @Guardguy11
Ron
Edited to add: CRDP for reserve retirement requires 20 year letter and attainment of the age requirement and approval of your application for reserve Retirement as you near age 60 (can be reduced). That approval triggers CRDP by DFAS if otherwise eligible.
Also, see this related thread: 2019 AGR MEB Timeline, 1405 points <—-Link
@RonG is correct. So you should qualify immediately. Let us know when you get out to confirm! Worst case scenario you get CRDP at age 60 or when you were eligible to retire for the Guard.
I have my fingers crossed. I was told yes Age 60 as well before this 1405 time came up. Then it got confusing my Retirement Service Rep tried to tell me that my 20year NOE from National Guard would be voided out since I was retiring AGR/AD style and Chapter 61. I would only be calculated on the AD years 19y 6m. I tried COAAD, but the TAG refused to sign.
Please report how this turns out for you. The information will be helpful for others.
Thank you,
Ron
Did you mention you had a disability retirement?
I am not an expert on reserve procedures but the references cited show 1405 should be counted when a disability retirement is involved.
@Guardguy11 and @Provis have that expertise.
Ron
Your situation is super unique so not sure I would count on that. That is the standard answer for 99.99% of people. Being medically retired should mean that all the points count towards active duty retirement. You will defiantly need to get in the weeds to get a final answer. Keep us posted on what you find out!
In my case I was specific telling them I have 15 years TAFMS and around 7800 points toward retirement. Seems this is one of those issues where you get a different answer every time you ask the question. I know a few people who are getting paid and a few others who are not.
How did you get 1405 time calculated? You need to have 20 years AFS in order to receive credit under 1405. You indicated you only have 19.5 years. If that’s the case, you are 1/2 year short of a regular retirement but you would still be eligible for a non-regular retirement at age 60 or reduced time for mobilization.
He said he has 25 years of time in service and the points divided by 360 equal over 20 years which normally wouldn't get you there. Except there is this one exception where that does count and it's only when you are being medically retired. It's the only time where membership points and inactive duty points actually count towards that metric.
I would would agree that all of the points count toward calculation of retired pay for medical retirement, but that wouldn’t constitute 1405 time. That gets to the real question of whether someone being medically retired, but not otherwise eligible for a regular retirement, is entitled to CRDP.
Just turned 60 a few days ago. 17.5 AGR, have 28 years total with a 20-year letter.
75% chapter 61, 100% VA.
I contacted DFAS a few months ago and they sent me a letter saying YES as soon as I turned 60 I was qualified, but they needed my point credit summary? My question is don't they already have that info, as I am retired? Calling them in the morning, I will post the results, wish me luck.
75% chapter 61, 100% VA.
I contacted DFAS a few months ago and they sent me a letter saying YES as soon as I turned 60 I was qualified, but they needed my point credit summary? My question is don't they already have that info, as I am retired? Calling them in the morning, I will post the results, wish me luck.
I believe you have to apply for non regular retirement. Let us know what you find out!
That is my understanding as well. How would DFAS document ones non regular retirement without an approved retirement packet from the HRC? Retirements such as regular and non regular require an approved application. I applied for a regular retirement in 1990 and retired in 1991.
Ron
I am very close to being in the same boat. I have 26 years total, 16 years AFS, currently AGR with around 6900 points and soon to be (I am slow rolling) in the IDES system. That would put me at the 7200 total points prior to end of IDES. I would rather have a regular retirement over a chapter 61 retirement due to the CRDP. Please keep me updated on everything you find out.
Mypers said they were sending the request to ARPC. who would send to DFAS my point credit summary and request to start CRPD. said it would take a bit but will be retroactive, So far so good!
Would I apply for non-regulare if I am already retired active from medical? I can't be the first AGR that went out on chapter 61, but has a 20-year letter to have reached 60 since the CRDP law changed?
Retired reservists and Guard members must apply for retired pay, just as their active-duty counterparts do. It does not automatically start at age 60.
Without the reserve retirement orders/packet, DFAS would not know to start your non-regular retirement. Regular retirees must apply too; I did in 1990 for a '91 retirement.
You can contact your Human Resources Command for clarification.
Good luck,
Ron