Being Discharged from TDRL with Severance pay, couple quick questions!!

So I have a couple of quick questions. I was recently taken off TDRL because my re-evaluation came up 10% unfit discharged from TDRL with severance pay. I know this is different from getting severance pay right off the bat so the answers I found from that are useless. Does anyone know if I will recieve this check before the tdrl discharge papers come or after?? Maybe even the same time?? Will it be check or direct deposit since I had my TDRL checks direct deposited? Also they had me as a PFC but I was promoted to Lance well before my discharge......for the 2nd time unfortunetly. My final question is just to make sure I am correct in my assumption... It says that I will recieve 2x base pay x years of service. Now I don't kno if I was just over or under 4 years and 6 months, while were on the subject do they rate the base pay for what it was for my rank when I was still serving or what the base pay is at this present time?? Lets say its when I was serving....it was right around 1850 a month before taxes, I hope im safe to assume because its combat related its tax free like my monthly checks were. So im looking at 1850 x 2 = 3700 x 4 = $14,800. I just want to make sure I understand what I am getting so I can plan accordingly because I am going out on my own soon and need the money to make it happen! Any input is appreciated thank you!!

Daniel
 
There are tons of problems with the Navy PEB system to include their TDRL review process. Are you sure severance is the correct answer? Should appeal to a formal baord? Did any of your unfitting conditons begin in a combat zone? What is the VA ratings for your unfitting conditions.

Mike
 
@Mike

Thanks for the reply! I have already been on TDRL for 2 years now. I was diagnosed with PTSD 10% from VA and 30% for Marine Corps. Now as I stated its 10 for both. Appealing isn't in my best interest. Also because I don't feel I need to be on TDRL anymore. So everything is ok with me. I was with 2/2 Easy Company on their 2005-2006 Iraq deployment, Karma, Zaidan, Fallujah Elections and for the tdrl it was combat related so it led me to believe this would be too!! Who knows! Thanks again Mike!
 
If your condition began in a combat zone, then your severance should not be offset by your VA. Did your TDRL review decision state if your conditon incurred in a combat zone? If not, insist on clairification, in writting, on this point. Also, if your unfitness is based on a conditon that began in a combat zone, then your severance pay should be based on no less than 6 years service regardless of the actual years of service. It is critical that this get docuemnted correctly or you will lose out on about $22,000 based on your numbers above. What is your total VA rating? See below the law from the 2009 NDAA.

Mike
SEC. 1646. ENHANCEMENT OF DISABILITY SEVERANCE PAY FOR MEMBERS OF THE
ARMED FORCES.

(a) In General.--Section 1212 of title 10, United States Code, is
amended--
(1) in subsection (a)(1), by striking ``his years of
service, but not more than 12, computed under section 1208 of
this title'' in the matter preceding subparagraph (A) and
inserting ``the member's years of service computed under section
1208 of this title (subject to the minimum and maximum years of
service provided for in subsection (c))'';
(2) by redesignating subsection (c) as subsection (d); and
(3) by inserting after subsection (b) the following new
subsection (c):

``(c)(1) The minimum years of service of a member for purposes of
subsection (a)(1) shall be as follows:

``(A) Six years in the case of a member separated from the
armed forces for a disability incurred in line of duty in a
combat zone (as designated by the Secretary of Defense for
purposes of this subsection) or incurred during the performance
of duty in combat-related operations as designated by the
Secretary of Defense.
``(B) Three years in the case of any other member.

``(2) The maximum years of service of a member for purposes of
subsection (a)(1) shall be 19 years.''.
(b) No Deduction From Compensation of Severance Pay for Disabilities
Incurred in Combat Zones.--Subsection (d) of such section, as
redesignated by subsection (a)(2) of this section, is further amended--
(1) by inserting ``(1)'' after ``(d)'';
(2) by striking the second sentence; and
(3) by adding at the end the following new paragraphs:

``(2) No deduction may be made under paragraph (1) in the case of
disability severance pay received by a member for a disability incurred
in line of duty in a combat zone or incurred during performance of duty
in combat-related operations as designated by the Secretary of Defense.


``(3) No deduction may be made under paragraph (1) from any death
compensation to which a member's dependents become entitled after the
member's death.''.

(c) <<NOTE: 10 USC 1212 note.>> Effective Date.--The amendments
made by this section shall take effect on the date of the enactment of
this Act, and shall apply with respect to members of the Armed Forces
separated from the Armed Forces under chapter 61 of title 10, United
States Code, on or after that date.
 
I already replied but it didnt show up!! So Mike I checked up on what you said and took another look at the findings. Hers what it says

I'll just start at Additional Findings

11. A. The disability was incurred while entitled to recieve basic pay
B. The Disability did not occur during a period of unauthorized absence.
C. The Disability is not the result of intentional misconduct or willful neglect.
D. The Disability did occur after 14 Sep 1978

12. The disability is permanent.
(Next is what I think your talking about and I if it is thats GREAT. Good thing you said something I wouldn't have seen it.)
13. A. The Disability was the direct result of a combat related injury as defined by Title 26 U.S. Code Section 104(b)(3).
B. The Board finds further that the disability was incurred in the line of duty as a direct result of armed conflict.
14. All board members concurred.

I hope this is what you mean because it definitely sounds like it!!

Dan
 
There are two “combat” things to consider that should have been documented on your findings:

The first is combat related. This has been a requirement for awhile. Combat related is defined by title code as follows, per DoDI 1332.38:

E3.P5.2.2. Combat-related. This standard covers those injuries and diseases attributable to the special dangers associated with armed conflict or the preparation or training for armed conflict. A physical disability shall be considered combat-related if it makes the member unfit or contributes to unfitness and was incurred under any of the circumstances listed in paragraphs
E3.P5.2.2.1. through E3.P5.2.2.4., below.
E3.P5.2.2.1. As a direct result of armed conflict. The criteria are the same as in
paragraph E3.P5.1.2., above.
E3.P5.2.2.2. While engaged in hazardous service. Such service includes, but is not
limited to, aerial flight duty, parachute duty, demolition duty, experimental stress duty, and diving duty.
E3.P5.2.2.3. Under conditions simulating war. In general, this covers disabilities
resulting from military training, such as war games, practice alerts, tactical exercises, airborne operations, leadership reaction courses; grenade and live fire weapons practice; bayonet training; hand-to-hand combat training; repelling, and negotiation of combat confidence and obstacle courses. It does not include physical training activities, such as calisthenics and jogging or formation running and supervised sports.
E3.P5.2.2.4. Caused by an instrumentality of war. Incurrence during a period of war is
not required. A favorable determination is made if the disability was incurred during any period of service as a result of such diverse causes as wounds caused by a military weapon, accidents involving a military combat vehicle, injury, or sickness caused by fumes, gases, or explosion of military ordnance, vehicles, or material. However, there must be a direct causal relationship between the instrumentality of war and the disability. For example, an injury resulting from a Service member falling on the deck of a ship while participating in a sports activity would not normally be considered an injury caused by an instrumentality of war (the ship) since the sports activity and not the ship caused the fall. The exception occurs if the operation of the ship caused the fall.

If the unfitting condition is combat related, then the disability compensation is supposed to be tax free. It looks like your findings address the combat related issue.


The second “combat issue” is if the unfitting condition began or was aggravated in a combat zone or during a combat related operation. This is a geographical issue. It you hurt yourself playing basketball in Iraq, it would have incurred in a combat zone but would not be combat related. This relates to the 2008 NDAA provision in my post above. If your condition incurred in a combat zone, and it sound like yours did, then your severance pay would be based on no less than six years of service and your severance would not be subject to offset by VA compensation. This is a huge deal and it appears your IPEB finding did not address this issues and they very much need to before you end up getting screwed out of about $22,000. Ensure the PEB addresses this issue, in writing and properly codes your findings or else you may spend years trying to get it fixed.

The requirement for PEB’s to document the aspect of enhanced severance pay can be found on page 4 of the 13 march 2008 DoD DTM


https://www.hrc.army.mil/site/active/tagd/pda/DoD_DTM_Mar_2008.pdf

Note the codes on page 8 of this DTM. Do your findings have such a code?

Mike
 
Mike I just noticed under one of the unfitting conditions which is post traumatic stress discorder, chronic. It says (AC) next to it then right under it says (czone). Im not seeing any code that matches any on the last page of the link thought. It is the first time i noticed the (czone) also so it HAS to be what your saying right?? You dont mean I would be getting 22k on top of what I thought right?? You mean what I thought plus the difference which would equal 22k?? Also I need to read things more carefully because it states in caps that I will recieve the severance after I am discharged from TDRL. Which should have been started a week or 2 ago and they say it can take 3-6 weeks so i figure about 2 months hopefully.

Dan
 
The severance you receive will be offset by VA compensation unless the conditon incurred in a combat zone. You will get the $22K and then pay it back via lost VA disability compensation. It looks like from your post above they have annotated the conditon incurred in a combat zone. You need to get from you PEBLO or other DES official, in writting, proof positive that your condition has been properly coded so that it will be based off six years of service, is will not be taxed and it will not offset by VA disability compensation.

Mike
 
Mike

I just recieve my certificate with the papers as well. My discharge date is Feb 28th 2011. The paper also states that I will be recieving 6 years tax free and that the VA offset u were talking about is prohibited. Only think im wondering now is whether I will get Lance pay from when I was in or what the current lance pay is because its almost a 2k extra difference. More than anything else tho I just wanted to thank you for helping me out. Although recieving a check for that amount instead of the lower amount I was expecting would have been a nice surprise but atleast now I kno they did everything right!! Thanks again

Dan
 
Good to hear all the blocks were checked correctly. I do not know the answer to your LCPL now or then question.

Mike
 
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