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One of the reporters/producers of the recent NBC Bay Area story on the fiasco that is the processing of Army National Guard LOD determinations has asked me to further link/publicize the story. I am linking the story here.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...-on-Critical-Benefits-Requests-330750862.html

The story is not over. I have been told that there are follow up stories planned and additional reporting on this important topic. If you have your own story, please post your interest in discussing the problems you have faced and/or the impact on your life by not being properly processed (or even being given the opportunity to be processed) through the Line of Duty investigative process.

(Feel free to post your own story, your desire to be "heard," and or to contact me via private message to share the above or contact information that I will pass along to the reporters).
 
One LOD was deemed NLD-NDM and the other... outright ignored which in all honesty... that whole situation was FUBAR on that one. Me and another SPC had a verbal exchange the day prior and during a RECORD APFT the jerk sucker punched me in the back and I hit head first on the black top. I saw red then slowly everything faded out and I came to at the TMC. I was given an article 15 without an initial reading or right to consult trial defense and was placed on extra duty, restriction, and confinement... so total punishment was 45 days but... they then dropped the article 15, failed to remove or transfer the flag, and transferred me and "my buddy" who turned out to not be as big of a jerk after the transfer. Needless to say... Arifjan JAG had the flag lifted because the whole thing was erroneous and wouldn't you know it... The Col that chewed out my SFC for violating HEAT CAT protocol for the extra duty worked at Arifjan in the JAG office. No Formal LOD was conducted but I am service connected for TBI as a result of the untreated concussion... and it is even in my military records as Concussion, untreated.

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All:

One of the reporters/producers of the recent NBC Bay Area story on the fiasco that is the processing of Army National Guard LOD determinations has asked me to further link/publicize the story. I am linking the story here.

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/investiga...-on-Critical-Benefits-Requests-330750862.html

The story is not over. I have been told that there are follow up stories planned and additional reporting on this important topic. If you have your own story, please post your interest in discussing the problems you have faced and/or the impact on your life by not being properly processed (or even being given the opportunity to be processed) through the Line of Duty investigative process.

(Feel free to post your own story, your desire to be "heard," and or to contact me via private message to share the above or contact information that I will pass along to the reporters).
 
I'm currently in WTU now and am trying to get LOD'S done on all my injuries and illnesses since 2005 and everytime I ask about them I get the run around. I requested copies of the submitted LOD'S and nothing both my NCMs don't seem to care all they telk me is that my PCM at WTU is working on them. I asked if they were formal or informal so I can evaluate the time frame they need to be completed by and nothing. I am getting stressed out because I'm reading horror stories about LODs. All my medical records are there showing all the injuries and illnesses beginning diagnosed I don't know why it's taking so long to just get an answer or copies of just the submitted LODS which were submitted beginning of AUG 2015. Please help. I haven't officially started the meb board but based off of the regulations and policy and multiple PCM, Specialists within the military they have told me I will be meb boarded. I just want my paperwork about my injuries to see what these people are writing and make sure it's the facts at least
 
I am currently going thru med board and I have been told straight out that there is no way I will get any LOD's and that they wont even start them unless HQ AFRC/SG requests them. I have 11 yrs active duty and 6 yrs in the reserves (Air Force). I have been 4T for 17 months now and have 70% disability through the VA.
 
I'm currently in WTU now and am trying to get LOD'S done on all my injuries and illnesses since 2005 and everytime I ask about them I get the run around. I requested copies of the submitted LOD'S and nothing both my NCMs don't seem to care all they telk me is that my PCM at WTU is working on them. I asked if they were formal or informal so I can evaluate the time frame they need to be completed by and nothing. I am getting stressed out because I'm reading horror stories about LODs. All my medical records are there showing all the injuries and illnesses beginning diagnosed I don't know why it's taking so long to just get an answer or copies of just the submitted LODS which were submitted beginning of AUG 2015. Please help. I haven't officially started the meb board but based off of the regulations and policy and multiple PCM, Specialists within the military they have told me I will be meb boarded. I just want my paperwork about my injuries to see what these people are writing and make sure it's the facts at least
Hopefully you have a copy of all your medical records, as that is the proof needed. If not secure YOUR OWN copy ASAP. As for the LOD's have you asked the PCM directly for a copy, many times the medical side of the equation is less bureaucratic. Other than that, email your requests for information addressed directly to your unit commander, CC other key players such as your 1SG and top admin guy. That way there's a record and time/date stamp of your request(s), and a single point of responsibility for the response (your unit commander). If they still keep brushing you off, this is the paper trail you'll want when complaining to the IG or if needed your Congressional Representatives.

When 75 day deadline for a formal LOD passes, that may be a good trigger for an IG complaint.

Hope this helps...
 
I am currently going thru med board and I have been told straight out that there is no way I will get any LOD's and that they wont even start them unless HQ AFRC/SG requests them. I have 11 yrs active duty and 6 yrs in the reserves (Air Force). I have been 4T for 17 months now and have 70% disability through the VA.
If your injuries or illness were incurred or aggravated while in a duty status, you are DUE an LOD investigation (and it is up to that investigation to confirm or disprove the LOD status). If someone's telling you they aren't going to do them, they are WRONG.

By email for record and time/date stamp, addressed directly to your unit commander, formally request the LOD's be initiated, processed, and completed in accordance with the regulations. Put them on notice that the regulations state that you are DUE and LOD investigation for each of the injuries or illnesses you incurred or aggravated on a duty status, and that going through the MEB also requires they be done.

Attached is the USAF regulation on the subject, your best weapon against being cheated is to read through it, know what is and isn't allowed and move forward with the knowledge.

If you're still getting nowhere and/or no response, let the unit know and file with the IG and start contacting your Congressional Representatives.

Key items;

LOD's in presumed IN the line of duty, absent substantial evidence to the contrary.

LOD's have a hard deadline to be completed (40 days for informal, and 75 days for formal). That deadline can be exceeded but only with a reasonable explanation attached by the investigator.

LOD's are required to be completed, they can not legally be "administratively closed" or left undone forever. That is a common tactic the reserves use, but it is in fact illegal.

Hope this helps...
 

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LOD's in presumed IN the line of duty, absent substantial evidence to the contrary.

This I agree with fully.

If your injuries or illness were incurred or aggravated while in a duty status, you are DUE an LOD investigation

I don't believe this is accurate.
There are 8 listed reasons why a LOD is required in AR 600-8-4.
(1) Injury, disease, death, or medical condition that occurs under strange or doubtful circumstances or is apparently due to misconduct or willful negligence.
(2) Injury or death involving the abuse of alcohol or other drugs.
(3) Self-inflicted injuries or possible suicide.
(4) Injury or death incurred while AWOL.
(5) Injury or death that occurs while an individual was en route to final acceptance in the Army.
(6) Death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while participating in authorized training or duty.
(7) Injury or death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while traveling to or from authorized training or duty.
(8) When a USAR or ARNG soldier serving on an AD tour of 30 days or less is disabled due to disease.
(9) In connection with an appeal of an unfavorable determination of abuse of alcohol or other drugs (para 4–10a).
(10) When requested or directed for other cases.

If a reservist is injured on a deployment and they say a LOD is not required, that should mean they are accepting it as a given that it was LOD. Its not until the MEB/PEB says, hey, we don't think this was LOD that an investigation is needed.

I am currently going thru med board and I have been told straight out that there is no way I will get any LOD's and that they wont even start them unless HQ AFRC/SG requests them.

This actually strikes me as the right answer. It is required to be presumed LOD. There does not seem to be any reason to doubt it is LOD. Why investigate it? This only changes if you are saying it happened while in a travel status or AD for less than 30 days.

I wasn't a reservists, so I'm not fully tracking all the issues with these, just enough to know there are definitely issues. I'm just curious if advising people to stir up a hornets nest that is lying peacefully is really the right track. AD people almost never see a LOD, because of the presumption. Why aren't reservists demanding the same treatment? They seem to be entitled to it for the majority of cases.
 
I don't believe this is accurate. There are 8 listed reasons why a LOD is required in AR 600-8-4. (1) Injury, disease, death, or medical condition that occurs under strange or doubtful circumstances or is apparently due to misconduct or willful negligence. (2) Injury or death involving the abuse of alcohol or other drugs. (3) Self-inflicted injuries or possible suicide. (4) Injury or death incurred while AWOL. (5) Injury or death that occurs while an individual was en route to final acceptance in the Army. (6) Death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while participating in authorized training or duty. (7) Injury or death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while traveling to or from authorized training or duty. (8) When a USAR or ARNG soldier serving on an AD tour of 30 days or less is disabled due to disease. (9) In connection with an appeal of an unfavorable determination of abuse of alcohol or other drugs (para 4–10a). (10) When requested or directed for other cases.

The ten (eight?) reasons you cite are requirements for a formal LOD, not LOD generally.
AR 600-804, Para. 2-3:
"A formal LD investigation must be conducted in the following circumstances:
(1) Injury, disease, death, or medical condition that occurs under strange or doubtful circumstances or is apparently due to misconduct or willful negligence.
(2) Injury or death involving the abuse of alcohol or other drugs.
(3) Self-inflicted injuries or possible suicide.
(4) Injury or death incurred while AWOL.
(5) Injury or death that occurs while an individual was en route to final acceptance in the Army.
(6) Death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while participating in authorized training or duty.
(7) Injury or death of a USAR or ARNG soldier while traveling to or from authorized training or duty.
(8) When a USAR or ARNG soldier serving on an AD tour of 30 days or less is disabled due to disease.
(9) In connection with an appeal of an unfavorable determination of abuse of alcohol or other drugs (para 4–10a).
(10) When requested or directed for other cases."

The previous paragraph is the more accurate citation:
"
2–3. Requirements for line of duty investigations
Line of duty investigations are conducted essentially to arrive at a determination of whether misconduct or negligence was involved in the disease, injury, or death and, if so, to what degree. Depending on the circumstances of the case, an LD investigation may or may not be required to make this determination.
a. The LD determination is presumed to be "LD YES" without an investigation—
(1) In the case of disease, except as described in paragraphs c (1) and (8) below.
(2) In the case of injuries clearly incurred as a result of enemy action or attack by terrorists.
(3) In the case of death due to natural causes or while a passenger in a common commercial carrier or military aircraft.

b. In all other cases of death or injury, except injuries so slight as to be clearly of no lasting significance (for example, superficial lacerations or abrasions or mild heat injuries), an LD investigation must be conducted."

Otherwise, you raise some good points about how things should work if the Army actually applied the presumptions. Unfortunately, LODs (or lack thereof) are inappropriately used constantly.
 
ScoutCC,

The problem is that the Guard has been non-duty medically discharging people for conditions which are presumed to be LOD. The situation is so bad that there are people who have been kicked out as non-duty medical for conditions which earned them VA ratings and Purple Hearts. The State Surgeons Office has consistently argued that a lack of an LOD in the system is what allows them to do this.

As for schkaka, we need to make sure he/she is referring to the duty related boards and not the non-duty board.
 
8, 10, is there really a difference? /sigh

I had injuries that would have fallen under the b. paragraph cited by Jason. Nobody did a LOD for me. It wasn't a problem and if someone made it a problem everyone would have looked at them funny. It sounds like schkaka is being treated the same. This is the exact opposite of a problem, this sounds exactly right.

As for schkaka, we need to make sure he/she is referring to the duty related boards and not the non-duty board.
This I would fully agree with. I agree this problem is so huge that people need to be advised to watch out for LOD trickery and non-duty boards. I just wouldn't get into the LOD problems unless forced to. Just an issue with demanding a formal LOD. If the presumption is being properly applied, I'd go with it, as the LOD issue seems so bad I'd try to avoid it even coming up. But again, I don't fully understand the extent of the issue, so maybe the issue is guaranteed to bite a NG member later on even if they are sent to the proper MEB. So I guess its more of a question about is this just the NG side of the house making mountains out of LOD molehills.
 
If the presumption is being properly applied, I'd go with it, as the LOD issue seems so bad I'd try to avoid it even coming up.
Not sure I am tracking the above....there is nothing to fight about if the presumptions are properly applied. Maybe that is what you are saying in the first place.

But again, I don't fully understand the extent of the issue, so maybe the issue is guaranteed to bite a NG member later on even if they are sent to the proper MEB.
The failure to issue or process LODs is a huge issue. You will see the lack of an LOD being done as a basis to deny INCAP Pay, to delay or deny processing through the MEB and PEB, and to discharge people administratively. It can also be used to deny folks who are refereed to MEB/PEB for another condition compensation or consideration of the condition that no LOD was done for. (Yes, there are plenty of ways that the various boards and/or reviewing bodies can "fix" the issues by applying the presumptions and doing what the law requires; the problem is that often this does not happen).
So I guess its more of a question about is this just the NG side of the house making mountains out of LOD molehills.

(As an aside, the Air Force Reserve Components are also really bad about LOD investigations....not sure I would say with confidence which is worse, the ARC or the NG. They are both really bad).

No, this is not an issue of the LOD "problem" being overstated or "blown up." I come across these issues all of the time and it impacts folks in a lot of ways. Worse, the problems discussed in the story really have to do with even getting an LOD initiated. It does not even touch on the horrible failures in processing the investigations properly. (Errors include not having authorized personnel acting on cases, unauthorized findings, failure to conduct a thorough investigation, failure to notify and give Soldier an opportunity to rebut proposed negative findings BEFORE the final decision, and failure to properly advise as to rebuttal/appeal rights). This is a very large problem. (Probably, I would place it (near) or in the top 5 of deficiencies and problems that persist for Wounded Warriors).
 
as far as I know my MEB was started under non-duty because the only other option was for me to have no type of board. All of my injury's occurred while I was active duty and I never had a problem with P.T. and work until recently, which is why I am being med boarded or so they say. medical on the reserve side said I will not get an LOD for any of my issues because all of it happened while I was active duty and now I am in the reserves so it dose not count. my paperwork has already been to the IFPEB and was returned without action due to not enough information. they asked questions like if my injury's were really related to basic training and if other injury's caused or related to others. so in my opinion the question has been asked if it is duty related but no one here on base wants to do anything to help.
 
I wanted to share this with you all also this is what the med group continually refers me to as why I will not receive a LOD.


1.7.4. ARC only. After release from active duty or IDT, members have 180 days to ensure any illness, injury or disease that was incurred or aggravated while in a duty status is reported for LOD determination consideration. When the member does not report his/her illness, injury or disease, the member is presumed to be able to perform military duties, does not require treatment and has no unresolved health condition rendering the member unable to meet retention or mobility standards IAW AFI 48-123, Medical Examinations and Standards. The only avenue for addressing previously unreported illness, injury or disease is through the VA.
 
But what if you reported the issue... NUMEROUS times and the unit failed to follow through? Does the soldier continue to get screwed over? This was my case... FOR 6 YEARS!

I wanted to share this with you all also this is what the med group continually refers me to as why I will not receive a LOD.


1.7.4. ARC only. After release from active duty or IDT, members have 180 days to ensure any illness, injury or disease that was incurred or aggravated while in a duty status is reported for LOD determination consideration. When the member does not report his/her illness, injury or disease, the member is presumed to be able to perform military duties, does not require treatment and has no unresolved health condition rendering the member unable to meet retention or mobility standards IAW AFI 48-123, Medical Examinations and Standards. The only avenue for addressing previously unreported illness, injury or disease is through the VA.
 
Symptoms of my condition started on a 2012 deployment. I filled out LOD paperwork (told to do so by my deployed flight doc) the day I returned state-side in case I had something serious going on with my head/ear. If it hand't been for that paperwork I would have been non-duty seperated from the guard. Now I'm just waiting for a fit/unfit from the PEB with a 30% rating from the VA on my "unfitting" condition. LOD's never hurt if at the members request.
 
Symptoms of my condition started on a 2012 deployment. I filled out LOD paperwork (told to do so by my deployed flight doc) the day I returned state-side in case I had something serious going on with my head/ear. If it hand't been for that paperwork I would have been non-duty seperated from the guard. Now I'm just waiting for a fit/unfit from the PEB with a 30% rating from the VA on my "unfitting" condition. LOD's never hurt if at the members request.
I look back to my own injuries that were clearly due but never received an LOD at the time. One for a severe spinal injury and the second for an IED blast.

The spinal injury was a no-brainer, I was treated over the course of several months while still on AD for a combat deployment to Iraq. The Army/Guard never bothered to initiate an LOD (which is their responsibility and duty to do so) and at the time, as a junior enlisted man, I had no real concept of what an LOD document was or how important it would be. Months later, back in the Guard I needed spinal surgery, and the Battalion Surgeon and Command both looked over my military medical records and it was clear that it was incurred on AD in the line of duty, still they did nothing except to suggest I use my own medical insurance, and they (intentionally I believe) didn't mention a word about INCAP. Again, I wasn't cognizant of the LOD's importance, and though on a general level I felt that the Army/Guard should have been doing more, having never gone through the process, I didn't know at the time how to force them to do their job.

The IED injury is less clear cut. I sustained a blast injury, superficial burns to my face and arm, hearing loss, and had my "bells rung" with a mild concussion. Our Platoon Medic treated me on the scene but rushed away to help others who were wounded by the same blast. I came off the patrol immediately afterwards with my platoon shortly thereafter (not Med-evaced or Cas-evaced) and was taken to the Battalion Aid Station for a quick follow up. I was able to return to patrol the next day, though it took a couple days for the effects of the concussion to fully dissipate. The hearing loss and resulting tinnitus was permanent and documented from that point on in my military medical records.

Again, no one in the Medical chain or my Command bothered to initiate an LOD, and again it never occurred to me that I would have to fight later on down the road to 'prove' what had been so obvious at the time. I had been hit by an IED and sustained wounds. Even with eye witness statements from my Company Commander, Platoon Leader, and the Platoon Medic who treated me, the Guard still adamantly refuses to list or investigate the evidence fully with all the injuries incurred from the blast listed, instead they hang their hat on the BAS records being missing or destroyed at the end of tour, by looking ONLY at the concussion as lacking documentation. They say it wasn't in the line of duty based on cherry picking what they're listing and/or looking at on the LOD.

Back the spinal injury 8 years down the road...

Years after the first set of spinal surgeries, my condition had deteriorated to the point of not being able to work and needing further treatment and surgery. Again, the Command's first actions were not to get the LOD issue straightened out and get me the care I needed or cover down on my not being able to work. Instead their first action was to start the process to administratively discharge me without any recognition of the injury being LOD or affording me the benefits due.

Months later when I finally pushed the issue and forced them to initiate an LOD, their true colors showed. They fought like hell to deny the benefits and drag their feet on the LOD's, making what amounts to intentional errors on the document to further delay and deny treatment and benefits. That left little doubt in my mind that their failures were intentional.

As an NCO who rose through the ranks over the years, I have seen it several times where a Soldier was injured during training or duty and flatly refused an LOD for the injury, usually with some lame excuse such as "If you don't have surgery or are hospitalized, you don't need an LOD".

The failures are very much ingrained into the system from what I (and many others) have encountered. Not written policy, but consistent and willful violations of the policy and regulations that they are legally and morally bound to follow, but simply refuse to.

It's a problem that's widespread, common, and won't change without outside intervention, and that's why the media coverage is very important. My fight with the Guard is fairly well done, but that doesn't mean the Guard should be let off the hook to jack over the next injured Soldier the same way.

We fight on...
 
I look back to my own injuries that were clearly due but never received an LOD at the time. One for a severe spinal injury and the second for an IED blast.

The spinal injury was a no-brainer, I was treated over the course of several months while still on AD for a combat deployment to Iraq. The Army/Guard never bothered to initiate an LOD (which is their responsibility and duty to do so) and at the time, as a junior enlisted man, I had no real concept of what an LOD document was or how important it would be. Months later, back in the Guard I needed spinal surgery, and the Battalion Surgeon and Command both looked over my military medical records and it was clear that it was incurred on AD in the line of duty, still they did nothing except to suggest I use my own medical insurance, and they (intentionally I believe) didn't mention a word about INCAP. Again, I wasn't cognizant of the LOD's importance, and though on a general level I felt that the Army/Guard should have been doing more, having never gone through the process, I didn't know at the time how to force them to do their job.

The IED injury is less clear cut. I sustained a blast injury, superficial burns to my face and arm, hearing loss, and had my "bells rung" with a mild concussion. Our Platoon Medic treated me on the scene but rushed away to help others who were wounded by the same blast. I came off the patrol immediately afterwards with my platoon shortly thereafter (not Med-evaced or Cas-evaced) and was taken to the Battalion Aid Station for a quick follow up. I was able to return to patrol the next day, though it took a couple days for the effects of the concussion to fully dissipate. The hearing loss and resulting tinnitus was permanent and documented from that point on in my military medical records.

Again, no one in the Medical chain or my Command bothered to initiate an LOD, and again it never occurred to me that I would have to fight later on down the road to 'prove' what had been so obvious at the time. I had been hit by an IED and sustained wounds. Even with eye witness statements from my Company Commander, Platoon Leader, and the Platoon Medic who treated me, the Guard still adamantly refuses to list or investigate the evidence fully with all the injuries incurred from the blast listed, instead they hang their hat on the BAS records being missing or destroyed at the end of tour, by looking ONLY at the concussion as lacking documentation. They say it wasn't in the line of duty based on cherry picking what they're listing and/or looking at on the LOD.

Back the spinal injury 8 years down the road...

Years after the first set of spinal surgeries, my condition had deteriorated to the point of not being able to work and needing further treatment and surgery. Again, the Command's first actions were not to get the LOD issue straightened out and get me the care I needed or cover down on my not being able to work. Instead their first action was to start the process to administratively discharge me without any recognition of the injury being LOD or affording me the benefits due.

Months later when I finally pushed the issue and forced them to initiate an LOD, their true colors showed. They fought like hell to deny the benefits and drag their feet on the LOD's, making what amounts to intentional errors on the document to further delay and deny treatment and benefits. That left little doubt in my mind that their failures were intentional.

As an NCO who rose through the ranks over the years, I have seen it several times where a Soldier was injured during training or duty and flatly refused an LOD for the injury, usually with some lame excuse such as "If you don't have surgery or are hospitalized, you don't need an LOD".

The failures are very much ingrained into the system from what I (and many others) have encountered. Not written policy, but consistent and willful violations of the policy and regulations that they are legally and morally bound to follow, but simply refuse to.

It's a problem that's widespread, common, and won't change without outside intervention, and that's why the media coverage is very important. My fight with the Guard is fairly well done, but that doesn't mean the Guard should be let off the hook to jack over the next injured Soldier the same way.

We fight on...


Care if I ask the outcome of your situation, I'm in the same boat as we speak. Same exact situation with the IED mild concussions got out of regular army VA approved TBI but army now not wanting to do LODS since along with many more injuries and illnesses
 
Oh yeah during mine it took them over 2 years to get everything straight with a congressional on the army due to them calling my civilian employer telling them to fire me or make me quit little did they know i was union work called union rep . union rep called congress and finally caught everything the had been doing. I have records, emails, 3 star retired general backing me against commander of the mn national guard ect it was nasty.
 
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