My PEBLO stated those with less than 20 years cannot receive Concurrent Receipt, even if their VA rating is 50% or high. I was told this is untrue, by retirees. She's using this to encourage Airmen to accept and sign for severance pay, saying you'll only get one check either way. Is this true?
Concurrent Receipt Clarification
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Concurrent receipt comes in two forms;
CRSC - All retirees (except 10 USC 12731b) retirees eligible. CRSC is limited to LOS retirement amount or the amount of VA comp for conditions deemd combat related, whichever is less. CRSC glitch affects actual pay for some members.
CRDP - All non disability retirees regardless of years served (currently 50,000 plus non disability retirees with less than 20 years). Must have VA rating of 50% plus. Disability retirees need twenty years to qualify for CRDP plus a 50% plus VA rating.
There have been efforts by Congress and the president to expand CRDP to disability retirees with less than 20. These efforts have yet to pass but may some day.
Mike
CRSC - All retirees (except 10 USC 12731b) retirees eligible. CRSC is limited to LOS retirement amount or the amount of VA comp for conditions deemd combat related, whichever is less. CRSC glitch affects actual pay for some members.
CRDP - All non disability retirees regardless of years served (currently 50,000 plus non disability retirees with less than 20 years). Must have VA rating of 50% plus. Disability retirees need twenty years to qualify for CRDP plus a 50% plus VA rating.
There have been efforts by Congress and the president to expand CRDP to disability retirees with less than 20. These efforts have yet to pass but may some day.
Mike
It's my understanding that if the military service awards your DES rating >50%, you would get a concurrent retirment. If you get between 30-45%, you only get one out of the 2, but anything >30% results in a severance package and you don't get any VA benefits until your severance is completely used up (paid back) to the VA.
If I'm wrong, can someone please explain it? This is what I've heard from those who have just been discharged at my base.....
Good luck!
If I'm wrong, can someone please explain it? This is what I've heard from those who have just been discharged at my base.....
Good luck!
I know for the VA severence pay, only the money going towards the diagnoses you were seperated for goes towards the % for other diabilities continue to go to you. About getting one or both, I have gotten like 5 different answers, even from the same places by different workers.
Didnt they just pass a law saying for those that get medically retired with less than 20 years and that have at least 50 percent can get the Combat Related Special Compensation?
Sort of get it, sort of don't...
Some people say Yes, Maybe, Soon. I think from what I read, we still get 2 checks but our VA is not the full amount if our retirement check is more that 50%. Because when you retire you get 50%. SO if you medically retire at like 60%- that extra 10% is considered disability and is that amount is taken out of your VA check because you already are getting paid for Disability.
Am I close at all Jason???
Concurrent Receipt (CRDP) Pay Computation
Your personal CRDP payment rate is determined by using your current VA Disability Compensation offset, minus the CRDP "Table Rate," the current CRDP "Phase In" percentage and other calculations. This makes it impossible to create a simple CRDP Payment Rate table that applies to everyone.
However the following four-step computation process can help you predict or verify your CRDP payment rate.
NOTE: The following is an example to help illustrate how the computation works. The VA compensation amounts do not necessarily reflect the current VA payment rates.
Step One – Determine your Net Retired Pay
Retired Pay - CBO = Net Retired Pay - Take your retired pay rate (either based on disability or years of service) and subtract the Current Baseline Offset. The CBO is the lesser of Retired Pay received or VA Pay. We will use VA Pay for the following example:
Example: $2,226 - $936 = $1,290
Example Net Retired Pay = $1,290
Step Two - Determine your CRDP Offset
CBO – CRDP Table Rate Amount = Remaining Offset Amount - Find your CRDP pay computation “table rate” based on your VA Disability Rating and subtract that amount from your CBO.
CRDP Table Rates: If rated unemployable $750.00 If rated at 100% $750.00 If rated at 90% $500.00 If rated at 80% $350.00 If rated at 70% $250.00 If rated at 60% $125.00 If rated at 50% $100.00
NOTE: We will use a VA rating of 50% for our example computation. According to the table above the CRDP table rating for 50% is $100.
Example: $936 - $100 = $836 Step Three - Determine your CDRP Phase In Amount
Multiply the Remaining Offset x Phase-in Percentage (Based on the 2011 Phase-in) - Find the current year phase in percentage and multiply offset by the current restoration rate (or phase in percentage).
CRDP Phase in percentages: 2008 69.76% 2009 84.88% 2010 93.95% 2011 98.18% 2012 99.64% 2013 99.96% 2014 100.00% $836 X 98.18% = $820.78
Step Four - Determine your CRDP Entitlement
CRDP Table Rate Amount + Phase-in Amount - Simply add the CRDP Table Rate from step two to the phase-in amount.
Example Total CRDP Entitlement: $100 + $820.78 = $920.78
Remember - Your total CRDP and Retirement entitlement cannot exceed the gross retirement based on your years of service.The maximum CRDP Award is calculated by subtracting your Net Retired Pay from your gross retired pay based on years of service.
Full Example based on 50% disability
Step One: Gross Retired Pay:
CBO (VA Disability Compensation)
Net Retirement Pay =
Step Two: CBO
CRDP table rate (50% rating):
Remaining Offset =
Step Three
Phase In Percentage (based on current year)
Step Four CRDP Table Rate
CRDP Entitlement
Total (VA, Retirement, and CRDP) VA Disability Compensation Payment
Net Retirement
CRDP Entitlement
Full Entitlement
NOTE: Your CRDP and Retirement pay can not exceed the your gross retirement pay based on your number of years of service.
Due to the planned phase in of the program, these amounts will increase each year until January of 2014 when you will receive your full retired pay entitlement and your DVA disability compensation with no reduction. Unlike Retired Pay Cost-Of-Living Allowances (COLAs), CRDP increases will be effective on January 1st of each year, payable on the first business day of February. Additionally, since retired gross pay and DVA compensation (and, consequently, VA waiver) amounts increase each year with COLAs, you will not be able to accurately extrapolate CRDP amounts for future years.
Retirees who have a 100% DVA rating (Including those rated 100% Individual Unemployability (IU)) are entitled to an immediate 100% restoration. CRDP amounts will automatically increase or decrease based on the percentage of disability reported to the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) by the DVA.
Please note that your monthly CRDP amount cannot exceed the lesser of your monthly gross retired pay or VA waiver amount. If you are a disability retiree whose retired pay is calculated using a percentage of disability rather than your years of service, your CRDP cannot exceed the amount your gross retired pay would currently be had it been calculated at retirement using your years of service.
Some people say Yes, Maybe, Soon. I think from what I read, we still get 2 checks but our VA is not the full amount if our retirement check is more that 50%. Because when you retire you get 50%. SO if you medically retire at like 60%- that extra 10% is considered disability and is that amount is taken out of your VA check because you already are getting paid for Disability.
Am I close at all Jason???
Concurrent Receipt (CRDP) Pay Computation
Your personal CRDP payment rate is determined by using your current VA Disability Compensation offset, minus the CRDP "Table Rate," the current CRDP "Phase In" percentage and other calculations. This makes it impossible to create a simple CRDP Payment Rate table that applies to everyone.
However the following four-step computation process can help you predict or verify your CRDP payment rate.
NOTE: The following is an example to help illustrate how the computation works. The VA compensation amounts do not necessarily reflect the current VA payment rates.
Step One – Determine your Net Retired Pay
Retired Pay - CBO = Net Retired Pay - Take your retired pay rate (either based on disability or years of service) and subtract the Current Baseline Offset. The CBO is the lesser of Retired Pay received or VA Pay. We will use VA Pay for the following example:
Example: $2,226 - $936 = $1,290
Example Net Retired Pay = $1,290
Step Two - Determine your CRDP Offset
CBO – CRDP Table Rate Amount = Remaining Offset Amount - Find your CRDP pay computation “table rate” based on your VA Disability Rating and subtract that amount from your CBO.
CRDP Table Rates: If rated unemployable $750.00 If rated at 100% $750.00 If rated at 90% $500.00 If rated at 80% $350.00 If rated at 70% $250.00 If rated at 60% $125.00 If rated at 50% $100.00
NOTE: We will use a VA rating of 50% for our example computation. According to the table above the CRDP table rating for 50% is $100.
Example: $936 - $100 = $836 Step Three - Determine your CDRP Phase In Amount
Multiply the Remaining Offset x Phase-in Percentage (Based on the 2011 Phase-in) - Find the current year phase in percentage and multiply offset by the current restoration rate (or phase in percentage).
CRDP Phase in percentages: 2008 69.76% 2009 84.88% 2010 93.95% 2011 98.18% 2012 99.64% 2013 99.96% 2014 100.00% $836 X 98.18% = $820.78
Step Four - Determine your CRDP Entitlement
CRDP Table Rate Amount + Phase-in Amount - Simply add the CRDP Table Rate from step two to the phase-in amount.
Example Total CRDP Entitlement: $100 + $820.78 = $920.78
Remember - Your total CRDP and Retirement entitlement cannot exceed the gross retirement based on your years of service.The maximum CRDP Award is calculated by subtracting your Net Retired Pay from your gross retired pay based on years of service.
Full Example based on 50% disability
Step One: Gross Retired Pay:
$2,226.00
CBO (VA Disability Compensation)
- $936.00
Net Retirement Pay =
$1,290.00
Step Two: CBO
$936.00
CRDP table rate (50% rating):
-$100.00
Remaining Offset =
$836.00
Step Three
Remaining Offset
$836.00
Phase In Percentage (based on current year)
X 98.18%
$820.78
$820.78
Step Four CRDP Table Rate
+ $100.00
CRDP Entitlement
$920.78
Total (VA, Retirement, and CRDP) VA Disability Compensation Payment
$936.00
Net Retirement
$1,290.00
CRDP Entitlement
+ 920.78
Full Entitlement
$3,146.78
NOTE: Your CRDP and Retirement pay can not exceed the your gross retirement pay based on your number of years of service.
Due to the planned phase in of the program, these amounts will increase each year until January of 2014 when you will receive your full retired pay entitlement and your DVA disability compensation with no reduction. Unlike Retired Pay Cost-Of-Living Allowances (COLAs), CRDP increases will be effective on January 1st of each year, payable on the first business day of February. Additionally, since retired gross pay and DVA compensation (and, consequently, VA waiver) amounts increase each year with COLAs, you will not be able to accurately extrapolate CRDP amounts for future years.
Retirees who have a 100% DVA rating (Including those rated 100% Individual Unemployability (IU)) are entitled to an immediate 100% restoration. CRDP amounts will automatically increase or decrease based on the percentage of disability reported to the Defense Finance and Accounting Service (DFAS) by the DVA.
Please note that your monthly CRDP amount cannot exceed the lesser of your monthly gross retired pay or VA waiver amount. If you are a disability retiree whose retired pay is calculated using a percentage of disability rather than your years of service, your CRDP cannot exceed the amount your gross retired pay would currently be had it been calculated at retirement using your years of service.
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No.....and it sounds like you are confusing Concurrent Retirement and Disability Pay (CRDP - which requires 50% VA rating plus 20 years or more of service) with Combat Related Special Compensation (which has no length of service requirement and is only required to have 10% from VA).
In both cases you have to be drawing retirement pay. If under 20 and a disability retirement, you can only get CRSC and that requires the VA to compensate you for a condition your service deems combat related. If under 20 and retired for length of service, you can get CRDP if your VA rating is 50%+.
Mike
Mike
Dear maparker:
I have 19 "good" Guard years in now. I thought you had to have a 20 year letter to get CRDP - no matter what.
Maybe I'm not getting this, but how can someone be under 20 AND retired for length of service get CRDP?
Maybe I'm not understanding the term "length of service".
Can you explain that term please?
v/r,
nwlivewire
I have 19 "good" Guard years in now. I thought you had to have a 20 year letter to get CRDP - no matter what.
Maybe I'm not getting this, but how can someone be under 20 AND retired for length of service get CRDP?
Maybe I'm not understanding the term "length of service".
Can you explain that term please?
v/r,
nwlivewire
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There are other rare types of retirement...for example Temporary Early Retirement Authority (TERA), which was used to allow people to retire for length of service at 15 years. That authority has now expired.
Length of service = non disability retirement. Yes, the vast majority of LOS retirees have 20 plus years. Beyond the TERA's there are NG retirements for those who have a non
service connected disability causing unfitness. Under 10 USC 12731b they are allowed to retire, for LOS, with less than 20 but more than 15 years. They can get CRDP at age 60given a VA rating of 50% or more. There are rare cases where an individuals on active duty reach mandatory retirement age (62, in many cases) before 20 years of service. They are given LOS retirements and CRDP if they have a VA rating of 60% or more.
The take away is that Congress specifically stated in law that disability retirees cannot get CRDP unless they have twenty years. LOS retirees do not need 20 years and there are over 50,000 LOS retirees with less than 20 years. Disability retirees are getting screwed when it comes to CRDP.
Mike
service connected disability causing unfitness. Under 10 USC 12731b they are allowed to retire, for LOS, with less than 20 but more than 15 years. They can get CRDP at age 60given a VA rating of 50% or more. There are rare cases where an individuals on active duty reach mandatory retirement age (62, in many cases) before 20 years of service. They are given LOS retirements and CRDP if they have a VA rating of 60% or more.
The take away is that Congress specifically stated in law that disability retirees cannot get CRDP unless they have twenty years. LOS retirees do not need 20 years and there are over 50,000 LOS retirees with less than 20 years. Disability retirees are getting screwed when it comes to CRDP.
Mike
Holy Cow!
I swear, this whole system seems to get crazier by the minute.
Between CRSC with the doughnut hole as wide as the Mississippi River,
And now this CRDP, which leaves an under 20 year military disabled with a high VA disability in the dust,
And then the IRS taxing the ever-loving hell out of SSDI retro checks if you get it while still being paid an AD wage....
Honestly, why even create these programs if there is no genuine means to actually compensate those Servicemembers who are combat/combat-related injured?
Or, like SSDI, you're holy hell taxed to death on your retro award? (I'm looking at 50-75% tax on my SSDI Retro check that took two years to fight for).
In my situation, it looks like I will most likely qualify for CRSC, but my award amount will be zero.
I could possibly be military medically retired at 19 years "Good" Guard time with VA rating well beyond 60%, and not qualify for CRDP - no 20 year letter.
And meanwhile, I do qualify and receive SSDI, but am taxed to death on the SSDI retro check by the IRS.
I keep getting this image in my minds eye of my government giving me a chocolate Easter Bunny.
But after the first bite, while sweet, I discover it's hollow inside and not really chocolate after all.
Faux benefits for me these days for all the injuries sustained as a direct result of these wars I volunteered to support with my life and limbs.
Too bad my injuries aren't faux - they're real.
Oh.... And even that's conditional upon my branch of service saying they are real, and not coming up with some other non-compensable faux diagnosis in the PDES process.
Faux benefits for real, life-long injuries - times how many thousands of permanently disabled Servicemembers just like me?
Wow......
v/r,
nwlivewire
I swear, this whole system seems to get crazier by the minute.
Between CRSC with the doughnut hole as wide as the Mississippi River,
And now this CRDP, which leaves an under 20 year military disabled with a high VA disability in the dust,
And then the IRS taxing the ever-loving hell out of SSDI retro checks if you get it while still being paid an AD wage....
Honestly, why even create these programs if there is no genuine means to actually compensate those Servicemembers who are combat/combat-related injured?
Or, like SSDI, you're holy hell taxed to death on your retro award? (I'm looking at 50-75% tax on my SSDI Retro check that took two years to fight for).
In my situation, it looks like I will most likely qualify for CRSC, but my award amount will be zero.
I could possibly be military medically retired at 19 years "Good" Guard time with VA rating well beyond 60%, and not qualify for CRDP - no 20 year letter.
And meanwhile, I do qualify and receive SSDI, but am taxed to death on the SSDI retro check by the IRS.
I keep getting this image in my minds eye of my government giving me a chocolate Easter Bunny.
But after the first bite, while sweet, I discover it's hollow inside and not really chocolate after all.
Faux benefits for me these days for all the injuries sustained as a direct result of these wars I volunteered to support with my life and limbs.
Too bad my injuries aren't faux - they're real.
Oh.... And even that's conditional upon my branch of service saying they are real, and not coming up with some other non-compensable faux diagnosis in the PDES process.
Faux benefits for real, life-long injuries - times how many thousands of permanently disabled Servicemembers just like me?
Wow......
v/r,
nwlivewire
Here is a calculator for your CRSC. I took this from the DFAS website.
THIS CALCULATOR IS GOOD FOR LESS THAN A 20 YEAR LETTER SERVICEMEMBER.
This will help you get a pretty accurate estimate of your benefit.
Please be sure to apply for CRSC through your branch of service.
DFAS has upgraded their website. The new web address is:
https://ca.dtic.mil/dfas/estimator/Calculator.htm
Hope you get something from this CRSC program.
Keep us posted!
v/r,
nwlivewire
THIS CALCULATOR IS GOOD FOR LESS THAN A 20 YEAR LETTER SERVICEMEMBER.
This will help you get a pretty accurate estimate of your benefit.
Please be sure to apply for CRSC through your branch of service.
DFAS has upgraded their website. The new web address is:
https://ca.dtic.mil/dfas/estimator/Calculator.htm
Hope you get something from this CRSC program.
Keep us posted!
v/r,
nwlivewire
Confused. Have researched amounts following guidance from this site and military.com.
VA 100% $2873
Retirement pay at age 60 $738
Medical Retirement 70%
CDRP Table Rate amount $750
High 36 month average base pay $1320
If retired pay is less than CDRP offset, do I get anything except for VA?
When I retire at age 60, do I get taxable CDRP (if any) or taxable 20 year retirement(which)?
The reason the numbers are weird is that I was 20 year reservist with active duty years, Va with no spouse but dependent child, high 36 because duty after 1980, medical retirement amount rumored to be 70%. All calculation samples that I have seen have retirement amount greater than CDRP offset amount.
Was supposed to be MED/PEB before 20, but they screwed up, so I didn't get option of severance, VA or PDRL before 20 year release. Retroactive med board, with possible backpay (PDRL or VA). Thank you.
VA 100% $2873
Retirement pay at age 60 $738
Medical Retirement 70%
CDRP Table Rate amount $750
High 36 month average base pay $1320
If retired pay is less than CDRP offset, do I get anything except for VA?
When I retire at age 60, do I get taxable CDRP (if any) or taxable 20 year retirement(which)?
The reason the numbers are weird is that I was 20 year reservist with active duty years, Va with no spouse but dependent child, high 36 because duty after 1980, medical retirement amount rumored to be 70%. All calculation samples that I have seen have retirement amount greater than CDRP offset amount.
Was supposed to be MED/PEB before 20, but they screwed up, so I didn't get option of severance, VA or PDRL before 20 year release. Retroactive med board, with possible backpay (PDRL or VA). Thank you.
70% of your 36 month average base pay of 1,320 = 924
924 would be your PRDL
VA at 100% for you is 2,873
There are off-sets. I take it you do not qualify for CRSC, no combat/combat-related, etc.
Since your VA is GREATER than your PDRL, you would generally waive the taxable PDRL in order to receive your full VA compensation.
So before age 60, you would receive 2,873 - all non-taxable and it would come from the VA.
CRDP kicks in for you at age 60. At that time, your off-sets are over with. BUT, the highest you can receive from the military side would be your age 60 retirement pay.
So, at age 60, you would receive all of your VA compensation (non-taxable) PLUS your retirement pay equivalent of 738 (taxable). no more off-sets.
v/r,
nwlivewire