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warrantarng

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Hello

I received a 75% DOD rating which equals $5642.00 which is offset by 100% VA $3245.28 … $2396.72 is the amount I receive for Army retirement
I applied for CRSC on May 22, 2018. I have not received any correspondence from
DOD. My VSO representative tells me that this is “good news” in that it can take up to
twelve months for an outcome.
Question:
If I am awarded 50% CRSC, how much should I expect to receive?
I have 28 years, 10 months, 22 days total time in service,
11 years, 1 month, 25 days ais active duty time.

Thank you for your time!
 
@RonG is the man to ask!
 
I wrote a full page reply and inadvertently lost it at the final sentence.

Bottom line: Based on the info you provided, you will not receive any CRSC @ 50% because the residual retired pay is more than the amount of CRSC payable. Residual retired pay, $2396.72 in your case, reduces the amount of CRSC payable for chapter 61 retirees.

The same concept applies when you meet the age requirement for RC retirement and CRDP.

I can re-create the computation if necessary...

If you would like to see it, please provide the categories and number of dependents you have for VA compensation. That will facilitate a more precise computation, albeit one with the same result (i.e., zero CRSC).

Ron
 
RonG said:
I wrote a full page reply and inadvertently lost it at the final sentence.

Bottom line: Based on the info you provided, you will not receive any CRSC @ 50% because the residual retired pay is more than the amount of CRSC payable. Residual retired pay, $2396.72 in your case, reduces the amount of CRSC payable for chapter 61 retirees.

The same concept applies when you meet the age requirement for RC retirement and CRDP.

I can re-create the computation if necessary...

If you would like to see it, please provide the categories and number of dependents you have for VA compensation. That will facilitate a more precise computation, albeit one with the same result (i.e., zero CRSC).

Ron
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Ron, my retirement orders read, AR 635-40, chapter 4
I have one dependent.
Sure, when time permits please send the calculations

What can you tell me about applying for CRDP at age 60, since I am a reservists and the approximate computations? I certainly would appreciate it.
 
What category of dependent do you have AND does your VA compensation include any SMCs such as K and S?
 
RonG said:
What category of dependent do you have AND does your VA compensation include any SMCs such as K and S?
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Where can I find the SMCs on any of my documentation, medical or retirement?

The VSO representative, who recommended that I apply for CRSC, stated that I should receive something. Trust me I am patiently waiting outcome .. I am fortunate that I receive a 40% disability rating and pay from OPM.
 
I receive a disability retirement from the ARNG miltech program as well as 75% DOD,
 
warrantarng said:
I receive a disability retirement from the ARNG miltech program as well as 75% DOD,
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I know nothing about that type retirement.

Your VA award will show the reason you receive $3245.28 from the VA. That does not mirror a rate for one dependent of any type.

What is the category of your one dependent?

What are the components of your 3245.28 from the VA?

Ron
 
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Scenario:

--I received a 75% DOD rating which equals $5642.00 which is offset by 100% VA $3245.28 …

-$2396.72 is the amount I receive for Army retirement
--I applied for CRSC on May 22, 2018. I have not received any correspondence from
DOD. --If I am awarded 50% CRSC, how much should I expect to receive?
--I have 28 years, 10 months, 22 days total time in service,
--11 years, 1 month, 25 days is active duty time.



Computation:

1. 5642/0.75 = 7522.66 high three average base pay

2. 11.083 years x 0.025 = 27.7 multiplier

3. 7522.66 x 0.277 = 2083.78 dollar amount of longevity portion of retirement

4. Retired pay of 5642.00 minus 3245.28 VA offset = 2396.72 residual retired pay

5. Residual retired pay 2396.72 is more than the longevity portion of retired pay

6. Residual retired pay 2396.72 is also more than the 50% rate expected as CRSC

(precise amount for 50% is unknown due to it not being provided; however it will be around

$1000).

7. Residual retired pay is more than either item 5 or 6 = zero CRSC

Ron
 
Your eventual CRDP situation will be much the same. The residual retired pay will negate the CRDP. This is based on the info you provided.

CRDP FOR CH 61 RETIREES WITH 20 OR MORE YEARS AD



38 CFR 3.750 - Entitlement to concurrent receipt of military retired pay and disability compensation.



§ 3.750 Entitlement to concurrent receipt of military retired pay and disability compensation.
(a)Definition of military retired pay. For the purposes of this part, military retired pay is payment received by a veteran that is classified as retired pay by the Service Department, including retainer pay, based on the recipient's service as a member of the Armed Forces or as a commissioned officer of the Public Health Service, the Coast and Geodetic Survey, the Environmental Science Services Administration, or the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration.

(b)Payment of both military retired pay and disability compensation or improved pension -

(1)Compensation. Subject to paragraphs (b)(2) and (b)(3) of this section, a veteran who is entitled to military retired pay and disability compensation for a service-connected disability rated 50 percent or more, or a combination of service-connected disabilities rated 50 percent or more, under the schedule for rating disabilities ( 38 CFR part 4, subpart B), is entitled to receive both payments subject to the phase-in period described in paragraph (c) of this section.

(2)Chapter 61 disability retirees retiring with 20 or more years of service. Disability retired pay payable under 10 U.S.C. Chapter 61 to a veteran with 20 or more years of creditable service may be paid concurrently with disability compensation to a qualifying veteran subject to the following:

(i) Any waiver required during the phase-in period under paragraph (c)(1)(ii) of this section; and

---->> (ii) If the veteran's disability retired pay exceeds the amount of retired pay the veteran would have received had the veteran retired based on length of service, the veteran must waive that excess amount of disability retired pay in order to receive VA disability compensation.

Ron
 
Ron first of all , thank you for your time!
I will let you know what I receive from DOD based the CRSC result..
 
Ron, one more question
The "year-months of service", fill in the blank, on the DFAS retirement calculator is based upon "active duty time" versus "total time in service" .. if this is correct then you are right.. I wouldn't have wasted my time with CRSC. I wish the VSO representative I used was informed as such.
 
warrantarng said:
Ron, one more question
The "year-months of service", fill in the blank, on the DFAS retirement calculator is based upon "active duty time" versus "total time in service" .. if this is correct then you are right.. I wouldn't have wasted my time with CRSC. I wish the VSO representative I used was informed as such.
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Although the DFAS CRSC calculator has not been updated in a few years (the rates it uses), the two times I used it out of curiosity it was within $100 or so of being accurate IF accurate info was entered by the retiree.

Yes, active duty (or active duty equivalent) time is used, NOT total time in service..

Ron
 
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