DES Outrage of the Week # 8 - DoD's CRSC Calculation Glitch

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This week’s DES Outrage of the Week will discuss yet another DoD decision that does the least for our wounded warriors. It involves how DoD calculates Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) for disability retirees. CRSC is a form of concurrent receipt. Concurrent receipt is a concept allowing military retirees to collect, without offset, both their DoD retirement pay earned by years of military service and their disability compensation from the Veterans Administration for service connected disability.

A longstanding law prevented military retirees from collecting both their military retirement pay and VA disability compensation. In 2003, those laws started changing with the introduction of CRSC and its counterpart, Concurrent Receipt of Disability Payments (CRDP). CRSC allows a military retiree to collect retirement and VA disability compensation for combat related disabilities rated as little as 10% disabling. CRSC is tax free and originally required all retires to have 20 years of service to qualify. CRDP allows a military retiree to collect retirement and VA compensation if their VA rating is 50% or more. CRDP is fully taxable. Length of Service (LOS) retirees with a 50% VA rating can collect CRDP regardless of the number of years served. Currently, there are over 57,000 LOS retirees with less than twenty year service. Disability retirees, however, currently require a minimum of 20 years service to collect CRDP. (Why Congress mandated a minimum of 20 years service only for disability retirees is a mystery.) All retirees must apply for CRSC but CRDP is automatically paid to qualified retirees. Retirees eligible for both CRSC and CRDP must choose from the two programs as they cannot collect from both simultaneously.

In the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Congress expanded CRSC to retirees with less than 20 years of active service to include disability retirees. The CRSC calculation for a Chapter 61 disability retiree is not straightforward. By law, the amount of DoD disability retirement received in excess of the amount of retirement based on LOS, must be deducted in the CRSC calculation. When CRSC is properly calculated, a Chapter 61 disability retiree should collect amounts from DoD and the VA that equal the sum of his total VA compensation plus his retirement based on LOS, limited by the amount of VA compensation based on combat related conditions.

The key sentence in my explanation above is “By law, the amount of DoD disability retirement received in excess of the amount of retirement based on LOS must be deducted in the CRSC calculation.” The key word in the sentence is “received”. The amount of DoD disability retirement above the amount earned by LOS is considered “DoD disability compensation” vice retirement pay for career compensation. Congress has decreed such “DoD disability compensation” should continue to be offset by VA disability compensation. However, DoD’s CRSC calculation method deducts “DoD disability compensation” even if the disability retiree never receives any disability retirement pay. Most disability retirees never see any disability retirement payment from DoD because it is completely offset by their VA compensation. When DoD’s CRSC calculation deducts “DoD disability compensation” that was never received by the retiree, DoD effectively offsets the “DoD disability compensation” twice. The DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” affects some but not all Chapter 61 disability retirees whose VA compensation exceeds their DoD disability retirement. It really depends on the amount of disability retirement pay and the amount of the VA compensation for combat related conditions. In certain cases, like in example B below, the VA compensation amount is high enough to negate the impact of DoD’s double offset. The examples below will help illuminate how DoD currently calculates CRSC and how this method cheats some wounded warriors out of proper CRSC compensation.

Example A is a service member who has a DoD disability retirement amount that is higher that his VA compensation. His DoD retirement is $1,500 a month and his retirement amount based on LOS is $500 a month. His VA compensation is $1,000 a month, all combat related. His VA disability compensation offsets $1000 of his $1,500 DoD disability retirement pay. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:
1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $1,500
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $500
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,000
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $1,000
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,000
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: $0

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = $0

In this case, DoD’s calculation method works as intended for the goal of concurrent receipt. Even without qualifying for any CRSC, the service member continues to receive an amount ($1,500) that is equal to his total VA ($1,000) and the amount of DoD retirement based on LOS ($500).

Example B is a service member who has a DoD disability retirement that is less than his total VA compensation. His DoD retirement is also $1,500 a month and his retirement amount based on LOS is $500 a month. His VA compensation is $2,700 a month, all combat related. His VA compensation completely offsets his DoD disability retirement amount. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:
1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $1,500
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $500
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,000
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $2,700
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,000
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: $1,700

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = $500

In this case, DoD’s CRSC calculation also works as intended for the goal of concurrent receipt. The service member receives a total amount ($3,200) that is equal to his total VA ($2,700) and the amount of DoD retirement based on LOS ($500). In this case he receives $2,700 from the VA and $500 from DoD in the form of CRSC. His VA compensation amount for combat related conditions was sufficient to overcome the “glitch” in DoD’s CRSC calculation.

Example C is a real world case of a wounded warrior being cheated out of his CRSC due to the DoD calculation “glitch”. He is Army 1LT “Smokey Artz”, a Vietnam Nam vet. Smokey served 10 Years, 10 months and 27 days on active duty before being medically retired with an 80% combat related DoD disability rating. His DoD disability retirement pay is $2,894 and his retirement amount based on LOS is $1,050. Smokey receives $2,932 from the VA from a 100% scheduler rating, 80% of which is combat related. His VA disability compensation completely offsets his DoD disability retirement. Smokey was approved by the Army for CRSC with an 80% combat related rating. His VA disability compensation for his combat related injuries is $1,634. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:


1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $2,894
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $1,050
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,844
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $1,634
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,844
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: Negative $210 or $0

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = negative $210 ($0)

The total amount Smokey’s receives is his VA disability compensation of $2,932. His CRSC amount, due to the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch”, is $0. If DoD calculated CRSC properly, Smokey would have received a CRSC amount equal to his LOS retirement amount of $1,050. His total VA/DoD compensation should be $3,982, equal to his VA compensation ($2932) and his LOS retirement amount ($1,050). The DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” is cheating this wounded warrior out of more than a thousand dollars a month. Hundreds if not thousands of CRSC eligible wounded warriors are in the same boat.

Two years ago, I brought the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” issue to the attention of Congress, DoD and the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA). MOAA spearheaded efforts to fix the problem. Congressional staffers and DoD officials both agreed that DoD’s CRSC calculation method was a problem. MOAA helped write a legislative proposal fix to the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch”. Senator Reid submitted the proposal as an amendment to the 2009 NDAA. The Senate combined this amendment with around a hundred other amendments to be passed as a single action. Passage would have included all of the amendments into the Senate’s version of the 2009 NDAA. Unfortunately, a single Senator objected to the “pork barrel” provisions included in the package of amendments. These provisions were completely unrelated to CRSC “glitch” issue. This single Senator’s objection killed the entire package of amendments.

Unfortunately, neither the House nor the Senate versions of the 2010 NDAA included a DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” fix. Apparently, the lack of offsets under PAYGO rules prevented any resolution of the CRSC calculation “glitch” issue. To date, I have not seen any efforts by either the House or the Senate to include a CRSC calculation “glitch” fix in the 2011 NDAA. Apparently the lack of spending offsets under PAYGO rules is once again the culprit in preventing a fix so that wounded warriors are properly compensated.

PAYGO rules are often used as an excuse by Congress not to take action. I have never considered PAYGO rules, which are often ignored by Congress, to be a valid reason not to pass wounded warrior related legislation. Congress never worried about PAYGO rules when it came to finding hundreds of billions of dollars to send America’s finest into harm’s way. But when it comes to passing wounded a warrior programs, suddenly PAYGO rules become an insurmountable obstacle. I have no issues with fiscal responsibility when it comes to Congressional spending. I have a problem with Congress’ funding priorities. Wounded warrior programs should not take a back seat to the vast majority items in the federal budget, let alone all the pork barrel ear marks and other budgetary waste. For example, Congress spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties. Are empty buildings really more important than people, especially wounded warriors? Not in my book.

It is apparently is too politically difficult for Congress to establish funding priorities across the entire federal budget. When initiatives like fixing the CRSC calculation “glitch” go unfunded, Congress is telling wounded warriors that they are less important than everything else in the federal budget. There are certainly higher priorities in the federal budget but there is no way Congress can state that all federally funded initiatives have a higher priority than taking proper care of our wounded warriors.

Congress also apparently believes that the long overdue expansion of CRDP to Chapter 61 disability retirees will offset the need to fix the CRSC “glitch”. This is only partially true. Certainly some Chapter 61 disability retirees would do better under CRDP thus making their CRSC payments moot as a military retiree cannot draw from both programs. However, some wounded warriors would do better under a properly calculated CRSC program. We owe it to our wounded warriors to give them proper access to both of these programs.

Michael Parker
LTC, USA (Retired)
Wounded Warrior Advocate
 
Dear Sir and Ma'am:

I find it absolutely shameful that many of our National Guard and Reservists, who have fought in this war, many on multiple deployments, will not receive a penny of CRSC due to the hugh donut hole in the calculation method. With almost one of every three Servicemembers being Guard/Reserve and being called into the fray to assist the Active Components, I can now see just how much rightful compensation is denied to such a large number of injured who come from these ranks of Guard/ Reserves.

This is a disgustingly bad joke played off the broken backs of our permanently wounded Servicemembers - no matter the branch and component! What are the bean-counters in the DoD doing with all the money they are appropriated each year to award? Sitting on it, collecting interest, speculating in the world markets, siphoning off the account for special projects? I mean really! We have tens of thousands of wounded in great financial need here, who by their own blood, sweat and tears, fought for all of us, and came back broken. Our Great and Grateful Nation values these sacrifices. When will they stand up and initiate change - especially when they do the calulations on a daily basis and KNOW what is going on?

C'mon Congressional leaders and Senators. If these now BROKEN Warriors were your BROKEN Sons and Daughters, BROKEN Husbands and Wives, BROKEN Sisters and Brothers, would you be so lame as to "forget" them and their needs and leave them BROKEN and BROKE? I doubt it. Please get your priorites in order here and get some corrective legislation in the pipeline - yesterday. It's the least you can do for those who are broken when you knowingly sent them into harm's way.

You know, when I was growing up as a child, I saw signs in retail stores that said, "If you break it - You buy it." It's a pretty sad commentary on this Great Nation to think that the only obligation to repay for breakage is ONLY on THINGS - not Servicemembers. Seems to me if our Nation breaks the physical/mental health of our Servicemembers through armed conflict, and then fails to repay the broken Servicemember, then this is a very faulty contract between the Citizen and the State, and speaks volumes about our seemingly current lack of priorities, ethics and values.

I call upon all our elected representatives on the Federal level to right this egregious error and do so quickly. You re-elections are near at hand. It's the morally right and ethical thing to do.

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
CRSC is the biggest crock of shit going!! Medical Retirement is already based on rank and length of service. Medical retirees and longevity retirees should be receiving full retirement pay and full disability compensation...period. The CRSC calculation is a joke and an insult to combat vets. It's just another way for the federal government to deny us the benefits we deserve. They want us to live in abject poverty for serving our country and getting wounded in war. Meanwhile they give away billions to fatcat bankers, lobbyists, and wall street crooks who have literally bankrupted this nation. Thanks again for nothing Congress!!! CRSC is just another sham.

Kevin
 
Yathink that's bad. I'm on IU with an honorable discharge, and since its not a medical retirement I don't get jack! I still get my iu va payment and ssi... but wtf over! I am the type of person I thought that was supposed to help. Its just all kinds of shit I don't understand. I was all excited. Hell I thought I was medical retiree... but I'm just rated 70% IU with no further ... examinations warranted. I'm kinda pissed. My house is getting foreclosed . [My fault under estimated taxes and heat bills big time] I just thought for sre tha since I've survived more mortar attacks and bullshit incoming rockets and enemy fir and the couple return fires and the whole everybody getting blown the **** up everyday at good ol camp warhorse would be worth at the very least some forwardness. I'm not a politician I am a soilder a used up burned out soldier.I'm gonna start yelling soon.not at the va or crsc people. But the army. \lease just say screw all your I'm gonna ignore the newbie shit and answer just 1. Question for me. How am I unemployable ptsd combat related connected whatever bt are not a medical retire? If it is just piss on me for asking than so be it. But I just figured if your removed from service for a combat related medical condition... yu get a med retirement... am I just stupid?
 
Crsc may work for the older vet... but I thought that was what the clpd or what ever was for. Who the **** wrote this legislation? Who is it targeted to help? Actually. **** it I don't even care. T those who are eligible, circus midgets, 60.38 year olds, sons of fathers named bill, and daughter with moms named betsy I hope you figure out how t fill out box d on line c page 4. Pretty sure if I research this further I'm going to flip out. So as our doctors tell us deep breatttthhhssss AAAAGGGGGHHHHHH. The whole change is just so clouded with bs.
 
sdilla82,

I read you were not medically retired but were you medically separated from the Army?

Mike
 
Originally Posted by maparker:
sdilla82,

I read you were not medically retired but were you medically separated from the Army?


Mike

That right, I think. I called the crsc office they said I'm not retired. I said I'm IU combat related PTSD...how much more retired can I be? It seems like something is wrong. I get nothing from the military just the VA. Does this sound like I'm getting everything I should be getting? Or did somebody forget to fill out th paper work after my IU rating?
 
If were medically separated between 9-11-2001 and 12-31-2009, you can apply to the Physical Disability Board of Review to have your case reviewed. Most of these reviews are resulting in upgrades to disability retirement. Did you have a MEB/PEB and what was the result? If you were medically separated from the Army that should be documented on a DA 199 as well as your DD 214. What conditons did the Army state were unfiting?

Mike
 
Gonna try to figure out how to apply to the phsycal disability board for a change from hardship to med. Thanks.
 
You need to apply to BCMR, not PDBR.
 
The PDBR is out if not given a military disability rating under Chpter 61. Perhaps the Disability Board of Review under 10 USC 1554 to start. Yesterday Congress passed the 2011 NDAA and includes expansion of the Disability Board of Review to enlisted members. I think it depends on the exact nature of your discharge. Was it driven by the PTSD or other medical conditon? The Disability Board of Review allows for an actual in person hearing and you can appy to the BCMR if unsatisfied by the results of the Disability Review Board. I recommend you allow for some analysis of the details of your situation to figure the best course forward.

Mike
 
This week’s DES Outrage of the Week will discuss yet another DoD decision that does the least for our wounded warriors. It involves how DoD calculates Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) for disability retirees. CRSC is a form of concurrent receipt. Concurrent receipt is a concept allowing military retirees to collect, without offset, both their DoD retirement pay earned by years of military service and their disability compensation from the Veterans Administration for service connected disability.

A longstanding law prevented military retirees from collecting both their military retirement pay and VA disability compensation. In 2003, those laws started changing with the introduction of CRSC and its counterpart, Concurrent Receipt of Disability Payments (CRDP). CRSC allows a military retiree to collect retirement and VA disability compensation for combat related disabilities rated as little as 10% disabling. CRSC is tax free and originally required all retires to have 20 years of service to qualify. CRDP allows a military retiree to collect retirement and VA compensation if their VA rating is 50% or more. CRDP is fully taxable. Length of Service (LOS) retirees with a 50% VA rating can collect CRDP regardless of the number of years served. Currently, there are over 57,000 LOS retirees with less than twenty year service. Disability retirees, however, currently require a minimum of 20 years service to collect CRDP. (Why Congress mandated a minimum of 20 years service only for disability retirees is a mystery.) All retirees must apply for CRSC but CRDP is automatically paid to qualified retirees. Retirees eligible for both CRSC and CRDP must choose from the two programs as they cannot collect from both simultaneously.

In the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) Congress expanded CRSC to retirees with less than 20 years of active service to include disability retirees. The CRSC calculation for a Chapter 61 disability retiree is not straightforward. By law, the amount of DoD disability retirement received in excess of the amount of retirement based on LOS, must be deducted in the CRSC calculation. When CRSC is properly calculated, a Chapter 61 disability retiree should collect amounts from DoD and the VA that equal the sum of his total VA compensation plus his retirement based on LOS, limited by the amount of VA compensation based on combat related conditions.

The key sentence in my explanation above is “By law, the amount of DoD disability retirement received in excess of the amount of retirement based on LOS must be deducted in the CRSC calculation.” The key word in the sentence is “received”. The amount of DoD disability retirement above the amount earned by LOS is considered “DoD disability compensation” vice retirement pay for career compensation. Congress has decreed such “DoD disability compensation” should continue to be offset by VA disability compensation. However, DoD’s CRSC calculation method deducts “DoD disability compensation” even if the disability retiree never receives any disability retirement pay. Most disability retirees never see any disability retirement payment from DoD because it is completely offset by their VA compensation. When DoD’s CRSC calculation deducts “DoD disability compensation” that was never received by the retiree, DoD effectively offsets the “DoD disability compensation” twice. The DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” affects some but not all Chapter 61 disability retirees whose VA compensation exceeds their DoD disability retirement. It really depends on the amount of disability retirement pay and the amount of the VA compensation for combat related conditions. In certain cases, like in example B below, the VA compensation amount is high enough to negate the impact of DoD’s double offset. The examples below will help illuminate how DoD currently calculates CRSC and how this method cheats some wounded warriors out of proper CRSC compensation.

Example A is a service member who has a DoD disability retirement amount that is higher that his VA compensation. His DoD retirement is $1,500 a month and his retirement amount based on LOS is $500 a month. His VA compensation is $1,000 a month, all combat related. His VA disability compensation offsets $1000 of his $1,500 DoD disability retirement pay. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:
1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $1,500
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $500
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,000
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $1,000
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,000
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: $0

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = $0

In this case, DoD’s calculation method works as intended for the goal of concurrent receipt. Even without qualifying for any CRSC, the service member continues to receive an amount ($1,500) that is equal to his total VA ($1,000) and the amount of DoD retirement based on LOS ($500).

Example B is a service member who has a DoD disability retirement that is less than his total VA compensation. His DoD retirement is also $1,500 a month and his retirement amount based on LOS is $500 a month. His VA compensation is $2,700 a month, all combat related. His VA compensation completely offsets his DoD disability retirement amount. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:
1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $1,500
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $500
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,000
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $2,700
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,000
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: $1,700

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = $500

In this case, DoD’s CRSC calculation also works as intended for the goal of concurrent receipt. The service member receives a total amount ($3,200) that is equal to his total VA ($2,700) and the amount of DoD retirement based on LOS ($500). In this case he receives $2,700 from the VA and $500 from DoD in the form of CRSC. His VA compensation amount for combat related conditions was sufficient to overcome the “glitch” in DoD’s CRSC calculation.

Example C is a real world case of a wounded warrior being cheated out of his CRSC due to the DoD calculation “glitch”. He is Army 1LT “Smokey Artz”, a Vietnam Nam vet. Smokey served 10 Years, 10 months and 27 days on active duty before being medically retired with an 80% combat related DoD disability rating. His DoD disability retirement pay is $2,894 and his retirement amount based on LOS is $1,050. Smokey receives $2,932 from the VA from a 100% scheduler rating, 80% of which is combat related. His VA disability compensation completely offsets his DoD disability retirement. Smokey was approved by the Army for CRSC with an 80% combat related rating. His VA disability compensation for his combat related injuries is $1,634. DoD calculates his CRSC as follows:


1. Total amount of DoD disability retirement: $2,894
2. Minus DoD retirement amount based on years of service: $1,050
3. Equals DoD "Disability Compensation": $1,844
4. Amount of VA compensation due for combat related disabilities: $1,634
5. Minus DoD "Disability Compensation” (line 3): $1,844
6. Equals Maximum CRSC amount: Negative $210 or $0

The amount of CRSC due is smaller amount from line 2 and line 6. CRSC = negative $210 ($0)

The total amount Smokey’s receives is his VA disability compensation of $2,932. His CRSC amount, due to the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch”, is $0. If DoD calculated CRSC properly, Smokey would have received a CRSC amount equal to his LOS retirement amount of $1,050. His total VA/DoD compensation should be $3,982, equal to his VA compensation ($2932) and his LOS retirement amount ($1,050). The DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” is cheating this wounded warrior out of more than a thousand dollars a month. Hundreds if not thousands of CRSC eligible wounded warriors are in the same boat.

Two years ago, I brought the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” issue to the attention of Congress, DoD and the Military Officers Association of America (MOAA). MOAA spearheaded efforts to fix the problem. Congressional staffers and DoD officials both agreed that DoD’s CRSC calculation method was a problem. MOAA helped write a legislative proposal fix to the DoD CRSC calculation “glitch”. Senator Reid submitted the proposal as an amendment to the 2009 NDAA. The Senate combined this amendment with around a hundred other amendments to be passed as a single action. Passage would have included all of the amendments into the Senate’s version of the 2009 NDAA. Unfortunately, a single Senator objected to the “pork barrel” provisions included in the package of amendments. These provisions were completely unrelated to CRSC “glitch” issue. This single Senator’s objection killed the entire package of amendments.

Unfortunately, neither the House nor the Senate versions of the 2010 NDAA included a DoD CRSC calculation “glitch” fix. Apparently, the lack of offsets under PAYGO rules prevented any resolution of the CRSC calculation “glitch” issue. To date, I have not seen any efforts by either the House or the Senate to include a CRSC calculation “glitch” fix in the 2011 NDAA. Apparently the lack of spending offsets under PAYGO rules is once again the culprit in preventing a fix so that wounded warriors are properly compensated.

PAYGO rules are often used as an excuse by Congress not to take action. I have never considered PAYGO rules, which are often ignored by Congress, to be a valid reason not to pass wounded warrior related legislation. Congress never worried about PAYGO rules when it came to finding hundreds of billions of dollars to send America’s finest into harm’s way. But when it comes to passing wounded a warrior programs, suddenly PAYGO rules become an insurmountable obstacle. I have no issues with fiscal responsibility when it comes to Congressional spending. I have a problem with Congress’ funding priorities. Wounded warrior programs should not take a back seat to the vast majority items in the federal budget, let alone all the pork barrel ear marks and other budgetary waste. For example, Congress spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties. Are empty buildings really more important than people, especially wounded warriors? Not in my book.

It is apparently is too politically difficult for Congress to establish funding priorities across the entire federal budget. When initiatives like fixing the CRSC calculation “glitch” go unfunded, Congress is telling wounded warriors that they are less important than everything else in the federal budget. There are certainly higher priorities in the federal budget but there is no way Congress can state that all federally funded initiatives have a higher priority than taking proper care of our wounded warriors.

Congress also apparently believes that the long overdue expansion of CRDP to Chapter 61 disability retirees will offset the need to fix the CRSC “glitch”. This is only partially true. Certainly some Chapter 61 disability retirees would do better under CRDP thus making their CRSC payments moot as a military retiree cannot draw from both programs. However, some wounded warriors would do better under a properly calculated CRSC program. We owe it to our wounded warriors to give them proper access to both of these programs.

Michael Parker
LTC, USA (Retired)
Wounded Warrior Advocate
 
Ok, so i get that there is a "glitch" but what the #!*% is it?
i found this link http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/woundedwarrior/disabledretireest.htm
this is the DFAS calculator, it's there site and it makes less sense than the rest of the IDES, VA, retirement system
combined. If you open it and start putting in numbers it makes it clear that for a soldier that has 14 years LOS
a high three average of $3897. got a VA rating of 90% an Army rating of 70% and a CRSC award of 70%
receives $ 2954. yet the same soldier who gets rated by the Army at 30% receives $3436 .
the rating i am referring to in the last sentence is the Army IDES/PEB rating not the VA or the CRSC %
So how is it that the more disabled a soldier is the less money they owe him?
with this one i dont even understand the justification? I mean if they said your entitled to this much but the limit is LOS
i would hate it but understand it, in this example however it is just there stupid beer math
someone please help me understand how they came to this conclusion?
 
The CRSC glitch was fixed by Congress effective 1 January of this year. I don't follow the rest of your post. I will check out the link.

Mike
 
It appears the DoD calculator still has the CRSC glitch. I see if I can do a hand calculation of the two scenarios above latter.

Mike
 
If you get time. i would really appreciate it as i do not yet understand. the scenario I listed above belongs to a Veteran i am currently working with. I volunteer as the "gopher" for an accredited VA agent at a place called Coffee Strong.
We are part of a national network on the GI rights Hotline and do a lot of VA application work for Veteran's who have been getting denied for years. Some since Korea, Vietnam, the first gulf war and of course the current War's. We also help active duty Soldiers, Sailor's Airmen understand current regulations and advocate for themselves while there still in.

At any rate with this Veterans permission i posted his actual scenario, and he has his CRSC award letter in hand that
states his Total Combat Related Disability is 70%.
He also has his CRSC pay statement showing that he will receive $874. 0
I am just not sure where this number came from?
He has just over 14 years. the last three years were all as an E-7 so his high three is $3897.
The VA is paying him 90% with a spouse and three children = $2173.
there are no garnishments or debt deductions
What formula comes up with $874. ?
I just dont understand why he is not getting an amount equal to the VA pay rate at 70% with 4 dependents ?
 
His DoD rating is 70%, correct?

How did you calculate the high three?

Mike
 
I just took the Average of his last 36 months, He was an E-7 for all three years so he had 32 months at $3875.70
and 4 months at $4043.70
 
Yes his DoD rating from the PEB is 70% and this is the unfit factor also the portion that is Combat related
and awarded by CRSC
 
By law, CRSC is limited to the amount of retirement based on LOS or the amount of VA compensation for combat related conditions.

In addition, if the DoD disability retirement exceeds the VA compensation, then the amount of DoD retirement above the LOS retirement offsets VA compensation. In his case, his DoD disability retirement exceeds his VA so the offset will apply.

I came up with a VA amount of $2,070 based on 90%, spouse and three kids.

High three = $3,987
DoD disability retirement at 70% rating = $2,790.90
Amount of LOS retirement (14 years = 35%) = $1,395.45
Disability retirement - LOS retirement = $1,395.45
VA compensation for combat related conditions (70%) = $1,593

What he should get between DoD and the VA is an amount equal to his total VA ($2,073) and the maximum CRSC allowed based on his length of service ($1,395.45). This totals to $3,468.45.

He gets $2,790.90 from DoD (of which $2,073 is offset by VA comp)
$3,468.45 minus $2,790.90 = $677.55

$677.55 should be his CRSC amount.

Mike
 
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