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Andrewsdad

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Hello,

Calculation ?

I just received my dod medical retirement as pdrl. I am at 80% DOD and 90% VA.

I have 34 good years of national guard, with Around 3700 points.

My injuries were all found in the line of duty for the peb on the 199

As a guardsman I am 0-6 over 30.

I can't get. Straight answer on what my DOD pay would be? 75% of my ?? Since I am guard.

Best,

Kevin
 
Andrewsdad said:
Hello,

Calculation ?

I just received my dod medical retirement as pdrl. I am at 80% DOD and 90% VA.

I have 34 good years of national guard, with Around 3700 points.

My injuries were all found in the line of duty for the peb on the 199

As a guardsman I am 0-6 over 30.

I can't get. Straight answer on what my DOD pay would be? 75% of my ?? Since I am guard.

Best,

Kevin
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If you you have LOD then you should retire immediately with 75% DOD.
 
Thanks for the response! The PEB people are hard to contact over the holiday and I want to be prepared. The conditions are are LOD Yes on the 199.

So 75% of DOD (base pay I assume) would be over 9K per month as an 0-6 over 30 but that is NG time only.
Everyone says the VA is always higher than the DOD. Is this large difference in pay the actual amount I assume I am reading it wrong.

Best,

Kevin
 
Andrewsdad said:
Thanks for the response! The PEB people are hard to contact over the holiday and I want to be prepared. The conditions are are LOD Yes on the 199.

So 75% of DOD (base pay I assume) would be over 9K per month as an 0-6 over 30 but that is NG time only.
Everyone says the VA is always higher than the DOD. Is this large difference in pay the actual amount I assume I am reading it wrong.

Best,

Kevin
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VA is often higher but not for those who are officers with a lot of years in. My wife is max DOD with 20 years in service as O4 rank and her DOD is much higher than VA compensation so she will get VA compensation and the remainder of her pension after the VA offset.
 
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Andrewsdad said:
Thanks for the response! The PEB people are hard to contact over the holiday and I want to be prepared. The conditions are are LOD Yes on the 199.

So 75% of DOD (base pay I assume) would be over 9K per month as an 0-6 over 30 but that is NG time only.
Everyone says the VA is always higher than the DOD. Is this large difference in pay the actual amount I assume I am reading it wrong.

Best,

Kevin
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@Andrewsdad

To add to Provis excellent reply.

Average high three = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36
Average high three x 75% = your retired pay
Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation
You keep any residual retired pay
Inferred: You have a 20 year letter and qualify for non-regular retirement
Upon reaching the age requirement (60 in most cases) you can apply for reserve retirement
The approval of your reserve retirement will trigger CRDP if you have a VA rating of 50% or more
The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay
Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay

Ron
 
Thanks you! Apologies if I am still a bit confused. Would you mind if I asked with examples to better clarify.

Average high three = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36 ~12K month
Average high three x 75% = your retired pay = ~9k month
Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation ~2k so this would leave me with 7K? month
You keep any residual retired pay So 7K? month
Inferred: You have a 20 year letter and qualify for non-regular retirement YES, I have my 20 year letter and 34 good years of NG time.
Upon reaching the age requirement (60 in most cases) you can apply for reserve retirement
The approval of your reserve retirement will trigger CRDP if you have a VA rating of 50% or more. Yes currently 90%
The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay (I don't really understand this part?) is it one or the other?
Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier (I have about 10 years of active duty by dividing my reserve points x 360) so the longevity multiplier is = 0.25 %?
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP (12K is the high 3 x 2.5% =300 ??)
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay. What is residual retired pay amount? Can't exceed longevity portion 300? So my regular guard retirement + DOD PDRL pay can't exceed what amount?

This is really complicated.
Best,
Kevin
 
Andrewsdad said:
Thanks you! Apologies if I am still a bit confused. Would you mind if I asked with examples to better clarify.

Average high three = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36 ~12K month
Average high three x 75% = your retired pay = ~9k month
Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation ~2k so this would leave me with 7K? month
You keep any residual retired pay So 7K? month
Inferred: You have a 20 year letter and qualify for non-regular retirement YES, I have my 20 year letter and 34 good years of NG time.
Upon reaching the age requirement (60 in most cases) you can apply for reserve retirement
The approval of your reserve retirement will trigger CRDP if you have a VA rating of 50% or more. Yes currently 90%
The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay (I don't really understand this part?) is it one or the other?
Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier (I have about 10 years of active duty by dividing my reserve points x 360) so the longevity multiplier is = 0.25 %?
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP (12K is the high 3 x 2.5% =300 ??)
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay. What is residual retired pay amount? Can't exceed longevity portion 300? So my regular guard retirement + DOD PDRL pay can't exceed what amount?

This is really complicated.
Best,
Kevin
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Your longevity is low so in your case CRDP would not increase your compensation. Your compensation is higher so you do nothing and sticking with medical retirement. The CRDP would be getting your non regular retirement which would only be 25% of your base pay (10 years x 2.5% of base pay) + VA disability. This amount in your case would be lower than your medical retirement with 75%.
 
Hello @Andrewsdad

Bottom line up front: I doubt you will receive CRDP since your residual retired pay is so large.

You said:
1.The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay (I don't really understand this part?) is it one or the other? ANSWER: CRDP is retired pay itself.
CRDP restores waived retired pay not to exceed the longevity portion of retired pay. In other words, it does not restore waived retired pay that exceeds the longevity amount.


Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier (I have about 10 years of active duty by dividing my reserve points x 360) so the longevity multiplier is = 0.25 %?
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP (12K is the high 3 x 2.5% =300 ??)
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay. What is residual retired pay amount? Can't exceed longevity portion 300? So my regular guard retirement + DOD PDRL pay can't exceed what amount?

2. Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier (I have about 10 years of active duty by dividing my reserve points x 360) so the longevity multiplier is = 0.25 %? ANSWER: IF your active duty equivalent is 10 years, then 10 x 2.5% = 25% longevity multiplier.
You used $7000 as your residual retired pay amount.

The combination of residual retired pay (you gave $7000 as example) and CRDP cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
That amount using your figures would be 12000 x 25% = 3000. Your residual retired pay is much more than that. So...no CRDP

Based primarily on the figures you determined, you should receive the following each month:
DFAS: 7000 residual retired pay
VA: 2000 VA comp

Ron
 
Thank you so much for all your help! I can't wait to hear back from my PEBLO and finish this process. This is the best information I have found anywhere.

Best regards,

Kevin
 
Andrewsdad said:
Thank you so much for all your help! I can't wait to hear back from my PEBLO and finish this process. This is the best information I have found anywhere.

Best regards,

Kevin
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I probably went too far into the weeds.. @Provis gave a nice explanation. Concise too.

Ron
 
One more question. The medical retirement is permanent which is what I will take when offered. My VA is at 90%. I have other VA claims I have not submitted but would probably get to 100%. Is there any value in this beyond the benefits one gets for being 100% VA? Because I am really exhausted regarding the whole VA process and I don't think I am up for submitting my 3 remaining claims and all the hassle right now.
Thank you in advance. Kevin
 
VA compensation is non-taxable. More VA comp reduces the amount of your residual retired pay.

There are certain states that offer lower property taxes for 100% disabled veterans.

Others likely have additional benefits to cite.

Ron
 
Andrewsdad said:
Hello,

Calculation ?

I just received my dod medical retirement as pdrl. I am at 80% DOD and 90% VA.

I have 34 good years of national guard, with Around 3700 points.

My injuries were all found in the line of duty for the peb on the 199

As a guardsman I am 0-6 over 30.

I can't get. Straight answer on what my DOD pay would be? 75% of my ?? Since I am guard.

Best,

Kevin
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It is my understanding that they will take your 3700 points and divide by 360, which is just over 10 years of AD. A 10 year 06 makes
Andrewsdad said:
Hello,

Calculation ?

I just received my dod medical retirement as pdrl. I am at 80% DOD and 90% VA.

I have 34 good years of national guard, with Around 3700 points.

My injuries were all found in the line of duty for the peb on the 199

As a guardsman I am 0-6 over 30.

I can't get. Straight answer on what my DOD pay would be? 75% of my ?? Since I am guard.

Best,

Kevin
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Should be your points divided by 360, which is 10 years AD. Then 75% of what the base pay is for a 10 year 06 current. 75% is the cap.
 
Mjf171 said:
It is my understanding that they will take your 3700 points and divide by 360, which is just over 10 years of AD. A 10 year 06 makes

Should be your points divided by 360, which is 10 years AD. Then 75% of what the base pay is for a 10 year 06 current. 75% is the cap.
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Permanent Disability Retired List
If your disability is found to be permanent and is rated at 30 percent or greater, or you have 20 or more years of service, you will be placed on the Permanent Disability Retired List (PDRL).

Your retired pay will be computed using one of two methods.

  • Your disability percentage, referred to as Method A.
  • Your years of active service, referred to as Method B.
Your pay will be computed based on whichever method is more beneficial for you.

Thanks for the responses and this is my question before they give me papers to sign.

The article from DFAS pasted above says my retirement pay would be calculated both ways and I would receive the higher amount? It says permanent disability more than 50 or the years of service calculation. So wouldn't option a give me the 0-6 over 30 pay at 75%? Do you know where there are regulations or legal documents that can confirm the way this is calculated that I can reference?

Best,

Kevin
 
Andrewsdad said:
Permanent Disability Retired List
If your disability is found to be permanent and is rated at 30 percent or greater, or you have 20 or more years of service, you will be placed on the Permanent Disability Retired List (PDRL).

Your retired pay will be computed using one of two methods.

  • Your disability percentage, referred to as Method A.
  • Your years of active service, referred to as Method B.
Your pay will be computed based on whichever method is more beneficial for you.

Thanks for the responses and this is my question before they give me papers to sign.

The article from DFAS pasted above says my retirement pay would be calculated both ways and I would receive the higher amount? It says permanent disability more than 50 or the years of service calculation. So wouldn't option a give me the 0-6 over 30 pay at 75%? Do you know where there are regulations or legal documents that can confirm the way this is calculated that I can reference?

Best,

Kevin
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Kevin, I assume you are @Andrewsdad

Your pay which I discussed a few days ago (based on the info you provided) was:


Average high three = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36
Average high three x 75% = your retired pay
Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation
You keep any residual retired pay
Inferred: You have a 20 year letter and qualify for non-regular retirement
Upon reaching the age requirement (60 in most cases) you can apply for reserve retirement
The approval of your reserve retirement will trigger CRDP if you have a VA rating of 50% or more.
The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay
Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

References:

1. computation of retired pay: Retired Pay computation LINK
2. CRSC : ---->LINK CRSC
3. CRDP : ---> CRDP LINK
4. DFAS disability retired pay: Defense Finance and Accounting Service > RetiredMilitary > disability > disability <---LINK
5. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
 
Thanks for all the input. Apologies if I am still confused but I keep seeing different responses on the internet as it applies to NG.

I am still confused and my PEBLO does not answer emails or phone calls. I want to be prepared when then send me my finical VA / DOD finance document to sign.

1. I was recently medically retired PDRL at 75% DOD and 90% VA and signed my 199. All found in the line of duty (LOD yes). I have not been given the form to select waive a payment or whatever this form is numbered.
2. I am NG with 10.5 years equivalent of AD time (points ~3800 divided by 360) but I also have a NG "20 year letter" for guard but not active duty.
3. Will my medically retired disability pay be 75% of my high 3 as this is the higher of the 2 calculations? This starts right away correct?
4. Is this medical retirement pay permanent or does it go away when I hit 60 years old? If the medical retirement pay is higher can I just keep receiving this amount?
5. Is there anything I should know when I sign the DOD/VA finance waiver form? I want to know exactly what should be on the form in terms of dollar amount before it is presented to me. The disability calculator on DFAS has been removed.

Best,

Kevin
 
Hello @Andrewsdad
Andrewsdad said:
Thanks for all the input. Apologies if I am still confused but I keep seeing different responses on the internet as it applies to NG.

I am still confused and my PEBLO does not answer emails or phone calls. I want to be prepared when then send me my finical VA / DOD finance document to sign.

1. I was recently medically retired PDRL at 75% DOD and 90% VA and signed my 199. All found in the line of duty (LOD yes). I have not been given the form to select waive a payment or whatever this form is numbered.
2. I am NG with 10.5 years equivalent of AD time (points ~3800 divided by 360) but I also have a NG "20 year letter" for guard but not active duty.
3. Will my medically retired disability pay be 75% of my high 3 as this is the higher of the 2 calculations? This starts right away correct?
4. Is this medical retirement pay permanent or does it go away when I hit 60 years old? If the medical retirement pay is higher can I just keep receiving this amount?
5. Is there anything I should know when I sign the DOD/VA finance waiver form? I want to know exactly what should be on the form in terms of dollar amount before it is presented to me. The disability calculator on DFAS has been removed.

Best,

Kevin
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Hello @Andrewsdad

a. The disability calculator that was on DFAS for several years became obsolete due to a change in law in 2013. To my knowledge it has not been replaced.

b. You asked, "3. Will my medically retired disability pay be 75% of my high 3 as this is the higher of the 2 calculations? This starts right away correct?" Answer: If your DoD rating is 80%; 90%; or 100%; you will receive 75% of your high three immediately. It will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation received.

c. Also asked, "4. Is this medical retirement pay permanent or does it go away when I hit 60 years old? If the medical retirement pay is higher can I just keep receiving this amount?" Answer: If you are on the PDRL (permanent disability retired list) it is permanent. However, due to your qualification for reserve/NG retirement pay at age 60 (or earlier in some cases), you can apply for non-regular retirement as you near the age requirement. Approval will trigger CRDP by DFAS, which will restore the waived retired pay (if rated by VA 50% or more) not to exceed the longevity amount of your retired pay. The higher multiplier (75%) will still be used, but CRDP does not restore waived retired pay in excess of the longevity amount.

d. Another question you presented: "5. Is there anything I should know when I sign the DOD/VA finance waiver form? I want to know exactly what should be on the form in terms of dollar amount before it is presented to me. The disability calculator on DFAS has been removed." Answer: The form is a VA form. You submit your claim on a VA Form 21-526EZ, Application for Disability Compensation and Related Compensation Benefits . At least that is what is used for claims NOT submitted during the medical processing. I assume it is the same for your processing. Ensure you agree to accept VA compensation on the form. To do so, you DO NOT check a certain block on the form...item 26 if I remember correctly.

Asked elsewhere: What is residual retired pay? Residual (left over) retired pay is the amount, if any, of retired pay remaining after the retired pay has been reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of the VA compensation.

A comment about other sources of information. There is plenty of excellent info on the web. The people who answer questions on this site and are moderators include a couple of non-regular retirees, a medically retired senior officer, and a retired senior NCO, Army finance corps. The answers we provide are based on the info we receive from the retiree or veteran being discharged.

cc: @Provis @chaplaincharlie @Guardguy11

Ron

edited to add:
Two days ago, we provided the following:

Your pay which I discussed a few days ago (based on the info you provided) was:


Average high three = total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36
Average high three x 75% = your retired pay
Your retired pay will be reduced dollar for dollar in the amount of VA compensation
You keep any residual retired pay
Inferred: You have a 20 year letter and qualify for non-regular retirement
Upon reaching the age requirement (60 in most cases) you can apply for reserve retirement
The approval of your reserve retirement will trigger CRDP if you have a VA rating of 50% or more.
The CRDP will restore the longevity portion of your retirement pay
Active duty equivalent years x 2.5% (2% if blended retirement elected) = longevity multiplier
Average high three base pay x longevity multiplier = longevity portion of retired pay and potential CRDP
Residual retired pay combined with CRDP cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

References:

1. computation of retired pay: Retired Pay computation LINK
2. CRSC : ---->LINK CRSC
3. CRDP : ---> CRDP LINK
4. DFAS disability retired pay: Defense Finance and Accounting Service > RetiredMilitary > disability > disability <---LINK
5. Collection of CRSC information LINK <—-

Ron
 
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Thank you to everyone! This has been immensely helpful. You have been the best source of information I could find anywhere and helped put my mind at ease during this stressful time.
V/R
Kevin
 
@Andrewsdad

Keep in mind that CRDP when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.

The same is applicable to CRSC.

Ron
 
Dear PEB forum.
I received my discharge orders and my RSO said I would I would receive what Mjf171 said in a prior post:
"It is my understanding that they will take your 3700 points and divide by 360, which is just over 10 years of AD. A 10 year 06 makes"

However on the DFAS website it says
"Permanent Disability Retired List
If your disability is found to be permanent and is rated at 30 percent or greater, or you have 20 or more years of service, you will be placed on the Permanent Disability Retired List (PDRL).

Your retired pay will be computed using one of two methods.

  • Your disability percentage, referred to as Method A.
  • Your years of active service, referred to as Method B.
Your pay will be computed based on whichever method is more beneficial for you."

Method A is 75% of top 3 of 0-6 over 30

Method B is the 3700 points = to 10.5 years of AD and 75% of 0-6 over 10

Method A is a much higher amount. Am I reading this correctly? Is there a reason NG would not be offered method A?

Do I have any recourse if it goes to DFAS incorrectly assuming my interpretation is correct?

Best,

Kevin
 
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