I am lost

rcslwilson

PEB Forum Regular Member
So in August of 2008 i separated my shoulder tearing my labrum, it literally sounded like Velcro. The Air Force, in its infinite wisdom, decided I should do physical therapy for 90 days. In these 90 days my condition got worse and I was in a good amount of pain, daily! In November of 2008 they went in and did a labrum repair and a capsular shift. Started physical therapy and all that and was still in a significant amount of pain. Meanwhile my surgeon deploys and his replacement recommends that I cross train out of aircraft maintenance and into something less physical to avoid an MEB. I take his advice and apply for retraining and get Weather. While in Tech school at a different base which I PCS to I am still in pain and talk with my PCM and he initiates a MED board. I am then reevaluated by another surgeon and everything is forwarded for a “fast track”. Fast Track comes back and the findings are to stay in place and have another surgery and undergo a full MEB in November 2010. The kicker is, even in the MED boards finding it says even though the surgery has a low outcome of relieving my pain or increasing my range of motion that I have to do it anyways! Long story, the new surgeon retires and his replacement diagnosis’s me with a completely different issue. I am referred to a shoulder specialist, civilian, and he concurs with previous diagnosis and orders a bunch of test to show what the actual issues are. I have surgery in November 2010 in which the civilian says that the AF screwed me and repaired the wrong area and thus delaying my MED board. My PEBLO is basically useless, they never respond to calls or email and pretty much treat me like an idiot when I ask questions. Last evaluation I had was forwarded to, according to my PEBLO, AFPC and it’s still too early to be evaluated if I will be functional or not. I talked with Orthopedics on base and they are going to recommend discharge during my next evaluation a the end of this month. I’ve been reading all the post that I can find but still am completely lost on what’s next? Again, my PEBLO is useless and no one seems to know what’s going on. My range of motion is no better than it was before the 2nd surgery but the pain is a little better, I have my good days and bad. My current profile is no pushups, crunches, walking or running. My arm hardly moves when I walk. I am lost!
 
It's been over 6 months post op, so you should meet with your PCM to do like a history review/interview. Then the PCM has 30 day to write/accomplish your NARSUM. The NARSUM is sent to the PEBLO, who "official" notifies you that your MEB has started. You review the NARSUM for mistakes and your Commander has a week to write a letter about how it affects your duties and the mission. It is sent to the informal board which is made up of doctors at your base hospital. They review the NARSUM and pick/list if there are any disqualifying diagnoses and if there are, then the package is forwarded to the Informal Board at Lackland. You sign the package and can include a letter and have a week to get an Impartial Review(if you want. I agreed with everything in my NARSUM, so I didn't). It all gets sent to the IPEB. Then it's a waiting game. My response took about 6 weeks. They deem you Fit or Unfit. Fit, you go back to work. Unfit, then they offer you and rate which diagnoses that were disqualifying. Then you accept or appeal. If you accept, you should get orders and be discharged 60 to 90 days. If you appeal you wait some more and get a date to go TDY to Lackland and be presented to the Formal Board to discuss what you feel was over looked, not included, ect. My date took about 4 wks to get and I leave in 2 weeks. Thats where I am now. My PEBLO is awful too. She won't even help me with my orders and doesn't even know which fund cite I need to use. Feel free to e-mail me if you have any questions. Hope this helps. My PEBLO gave me a sign here and a packet to read and has either ignored me or given me wrong information. I look up everything myself and ask Jason and the lovely people here for advice.
 
I’ve got my appointment at the end of the month to be evaluated again by orthopedics. After speaking with the base surgeon, not the actual surgeon, it still looks like he’s going to recommend discharge or that I have a condition that requires a MEB? The only thing I’ve ever been told from my PEBLO is they are awaiting his summary, which I assume is the NARSUM everyone refers to, which he will be doing at my next evaluation. Base on the people I have talked to on base, with this doctor recommending MEB/Discharge, the base will agree with him. How am I able to see the NARSUM before he submits it to the base? Not that I don’t agree with him, I am still in pain and the lack of range of motion is a big thing against me. What is there really to expect when the outcome looks like discharge?

 
Oh and i just hit the 7 year mark in the service and no one knows what typically happens as far as severance, retirement etc. With someone who hasn't been in that long.
 
Since you are Air Force here is a SHORT list of what you need to start down loading and begin reading/adding to your library:

AFI36-2910 (Line of duty) The start of everything.
AFI10-203 (Duty limiting conditions) Profiles.
AFI41-210 (MEB) How medical admin types are suppose to do a MEB-Chapter 10.
AFI48-123 (MEB) What conditions call for a MEB. This is what triggers a MEB from a AF doctor.
AFI36-3212 (PEB) This is the reg on PEB's.
AFI36-3208 Admin separations.
DoDI 1332.38 (DoD reg on the DES)
38 USC part 4 (VA Schedule for rating disabilities) VASRD
10 USC Chapter 61 (This is the law on disability retirements)
Etc., Etc., Etc...

You can download all of these from this site...
 
This is how the system is suppose to work...

PDES in a Nutshell

Compensation and Benefits Handbook


Physical Disability Evaluation System in a Nutshell


Title 10 United States Code Chapter 61 governs the separation or retirement of military personnel. The PDES determines whether Service members (SM) are fit for duty or unfit and if unfit, what disability rating should apply to them. A PDES case begins with a Medical Evaluation Board (MEB), continues to an Informal Evaluation Board (IPEB) if the MEB believes that unfitting conditions are present and then proceeds to a Formal Physical Evaluation Board (FPEB) review if the Service member request one.

The MEB evaluates whether Service members have incurred an injury or illness that calls into question their ability to perform the duties of their office, grade, rank or rating. The MEB is usually performed at the nearest military treatment facility. The commanding officer or treating physician requests the MEB evaluation: the service member does not self-refer.

The role of the MEB is to:

1. Determine whether the individual meets the Service’s physical retention standards.

2. Document the medical problems.

3. Define limitations (if any) imposed by the condition.

4. Explain how the condition affects the Service member’s ability to perform the duties of his or her office, grade, rank or rating.

The MEB then forwards the case to the IPEB for adjudication. The IPEB is an administrative board that reviews the medical and personnel files and determines whether the Service member is fit for duty. If the service member has “unfitting conditions” that are medically unacceptable for continued service, the IPEB will determine whether these conditions were incurred during or aggravated by active service and in the line of duty. If they were, the IPEB applies the Department of Veterans Affairs Schedule for Ratings of Disabilities (VASRD) to the unfitting conditions. Medical conditions that are not unfitting are not rated in the PDES. The IPEB evaluation is a review based solely on the documented record and the Service member is not present for this portion of the PDES. The Service member can accept of non-concur with the IPEB determination of fitness and/or disability rating.

Service members have the right to rebut or non-concur with an IPEB finding and to appear before an FPEB in person (at government expense). They may present any evidence on their behalf and have a government attorney appointed to assist them. They may choose to hire their own attorney, or the Military Service will provide an attorney at no charge. The IPEB performs a complete review of the entire case using all documents that were presented at the IPEB, any new documents presented by the service member (or representative) and any testimony from the Service member if he or she has chosen to be present.

PDES Dispositions

The final determination of the PEB at the IPEB, FPEB or appellate review for cases under study resulted in one of the following dispositions.

Fit for Duty

A determination of a fit for duty returns a Service member to his or her former duty status. The service Member may have some limitations but no medically unacceptable conditions are present. The Service member is able to continue to serve in the military.

Separation With Severance Pay

Service members are found unfit for military service if they have one or more medical conditions that do not meet retention standards and cause them to be unable to fulfill the duties that are appropriate to their grade and military occupational rating. If the combined disability rating for all unfitting conditions is 0 percent, 10 percent or 20 percent, the Service member will receive a lump sum severance payment.

Separation Without Severance Pay

In certain situations, a Service member may have medical conditions that are unfitting for military service but do not qualify for severance pay. For instance, the PEB may determine the disability was EPTS (Existed Prior to Service) and was not aggravated by military service. Another reason would be that the disability was incurred during a period of active service but was not in the line of duty- for instance the Service member was absent without official leave or was involved in committing a criminal act at the time of the injury. In these situations, the Service member is not eligible to continue on active duty due to the unfitting conditions and is separated without any severance pay.

Temporary Disability Retirement List (TDRL)

If a service member is rated with a disability of 30 percent of more and the PEB determines the condition is probably permanent but not stable, then the Service member is placed on TDRL. He or she will be reevaluated within the next 18 months to see whether the condition has stabilized for a permanent rating. Within 5 years a permanent disposition must be made. The final determination is based on a evaluation of a stable medical condition at the time of the last re-evaluation. A Service member on TDRL rated at 30 percent, 40 percent or 50 percent will receive 50 percent of his or her base pay (most Service members’ base pay would be calculated using a “high-3” formula). Those rated at 60 percent or 70 percent receive that proportion of their base pay and those rated higher are limited by law to receive 75 percent. Service members placed on TDRL receive all other military retirement benefits, such as coverage for health care under TRICARE and access to the commissary and PX/BX.

Permanent Disability Retirement List (PDRL)

A Service member with a disability considered to be stable and has a total disability rating of 30 percent or more, regardless of his or her years of service will be placed on the PDRL. (Service members with a total disability rating that is less than 30 percent but have more than 20 years of service can be permanently retired rather than receive severance pay). Retired pay is computed in two ways, one way is to multiply the Service member’s retired pay based with his or her disability percentage and the second way is to multiply his or her retired base pay with 2.5 percent of his or her years of credited active duty service. The calculation yielding the more favorable compensation to the service member is used. The minimum benefit is 30 percent of base pay and the maximum benefit is 75 percent. PDRL also confers all other military retirement benefits.
 
Oh and i just hit the 7 year mark in the service and no one knows what typically happens as far as severance, retirement etc. With someone who hasn't been in that long.

Adding to the great post by Ruptured Duck:

You're time in service does not have an affect on your rating. It will be based on your range of motion.

The only other thing with the amount years a person has in (other than 20 of course) would be the "eight year rule":

Title 10 USC, Sec. 1207a. "Members with over eight years of active service: eligibility for disability retirement for pre-existing conditions
(a) In the case of a member described in subsection (b) who would
be covered by section 1201, 1202, or 1203 of this title but for the
fact that the member's disability is determined to have been
incurred before the member became entitled to basic pay in the
member's current period of active duty, the disability shall be
deemed to have been incurred while the member was entitled to basic
pay and shall be so considered for purposes of determining whether
the disability was incurred in the line of duty.
(b) A member described in subsection (a) is a member with at
least eight years of active service."

That basically means the condition would still be rated even if the PEB decides the condition EPTS (Existed Prior to Service). It doesn't seem that that would be a problem in your case.
 
One slight clarification...in some cases, the years of service can serve to be the basis for the percentage calculation applied to retired base pay. The normal case is that the percentage awarded is the "number" used. However, the rule actually says, apply the HIGHER of the percentage awarded OR 2.5% times years of service to the retired base pay.

But, the rating schedules do not differentiate based on years of service. They are based on severity of the condition according to the rating criteria.
 
Thanks to everyone for the responses....I've learned more in a week than the last two years! So my next issue. I've read on several post something about a "case manager". Who exactly is the case manager? I'm being evaluated on Friday and i recieved an email from my PEBLO today stating "Dr. XXXXXX did not dictate the MEB in April it was too soon after your surgery. He will see you in August, so please make an appointment for some time in August and let us know when"
This is the response I get from my PEBLO answering a question from two months ago! My appointment is Friday, like I said, what does dictacte the MEB mean? If i ask them I might get a response by Christmas.
 
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