I need info please

1, thank you for the opportunity to enter in this forum.
2 i have problems with my knees for more than a year, went i was on eit i get drop for airborne school because my knees, every time i go to see my pa he give me temporary profiles now i get my back mess up, they are talking about surgery on my back but they are no doing nothing with my knees i already being in physical therapy for my knees, my questions are this, because im really new on this i only have 2 1/2 years in the army and i really like this but right now im in double pain my knees and back, but because this im flag for overweight to even with my knees problems they push the flag.

my questions

what i can do for get a permanent profile, went i ask this is how i fight for the right at least of finish my 4 years

they already talk about the meb but i don't know what to expect because they start talking about the meb went they found the problem in my back, if this happens they gonna take in consideration the problem with my knees to??

i really need some help because i don't know what to do or what to expect about this situation they are trying to push the flag 1 and i don't know is this is right or no.

please help me thank you for the info, and sorry is i make this question in the wrong area.
 
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they already talk about the meb but i don't know what to expect because they start talking about the meb went they found the problem in my back, if this happens they gonna take in consideration the problem with my knees to??

If they send you through an MEB, they take everything wrong with you into consideration. You'll get a full medical evaluation from the VA, of your whole body to determine if you are fit or unfit. Depending how bad your conditions are they might send you to a specialist in that area. I am going through mine for a bad eye injury, and they sent me to a optometrist.
 
Tomcat.USN said:
they already talk about the meb but i don't know what to expect because they start talking about the meb went they found the problem in my back, if this happens they gonna take in consideration the problem with my knees to??

If they send you through an MEB, they take everything wrong with you into consideration. You'll get a full medical evaluation from the VA, of your whole body to determine if you are fit or unfit. Depending how bad your conditions are they might send you to a specialist in that area. I am going through mine for a bad eye injury, and they sent me to a optometrist.
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thank you for your info
 
Tom, no matter what while in the service: You have to maintain high/weight standards, even if injured. It is in black and white in the regulations. The only way around getting chaptered for overweight is due to medication. You can and will be flagged PERIOD, even if you are on the MEB/PEB.
 
from what I know, that isn't entirely true, I have been told ( and seen ) that you can't be flagged for overweight IF you had a profile prior to being overweight that allowed you to take no form of a pt test, no alternate events either, basically a total "dead mans" profile.

That is what i've been told
 
Mathew Wilson said:
from what I know, that isn't entirely true, I have been told ( and seen ) that you can't be flagged for overweight IF you had a profile prior to being overweight that allowed you to take no form of a pt test, no alternate events either, basically a total "dead mans" profile.

That is what i've been told
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Not sure exactly how it works or what it is called in the army, but in the Navy our physical test is called a PRT. I scored max results on every PRT prior to my injury. After my injury, due to medication, not being able to participate in the PRT, and work out for lengthy amount of time, I have no slightly became over navy standars. If you go through with this med board, chances are, because its deals with your back and knees you will probably get waiver to participate in physical events. While in the MEB process you are generally on LIMDU at the same time. Just my expirience though.
 
you can have a profile excluding portions/alternate events of the APFT. However, this does not preclude one from maintaining height/weight standards. even with a "dead mans" profile, you still must maintain the standards. only a profile from your physician can exempt you from the height/weight standards.
 
For me, I was flagged for overweight before I started the MEB. Once I was referred, part of the process was providing the form for the flag to my PEBLO. Within a week, I was not flagged anymore.
 
You can be flagged...but you cant be chaptered for overweight during the med board process.
 
I know here at the WTU which is full of injured soldiers, they take height and weight, im not sure if they flag if they fail but i know tape test are done, also even with the perm profile,your doc suppose to give you a positive profile that allows you to do some type of adaptive pt that would not aggravate your injury so your able to maintain weight even if you attend physical therapy that considered adaptive pt
 
mike762414 said:
For me, I was flagged for overweight before I started the MEB. Once I was referred, part of the process was providing the form for the flag to my PEBLO. Within a week, I was not flagged anymore.
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What form do I need to give my PEBLO to have my flag removed?
 
you can look in ar 600-9 theres a form letter thats supposed to go from your doctor to your chain of command that says you have pre existing medical conditions that will preclude you from being weighed and taped. I know this because i did this before i started the meb process and havent had a question since i got my dead mans profile. Ive got 5 permananet profiles and am only allowed to wear a uniform !
 
and for those who need to know its on page 8 figure 3-1 sample correspondance for weight control program.
 
For all Navy personnel going through the PEB/medical board process and not sure about the "ins/outs", you may contact me. YNC(SW/AW), PERS-82, [email protected], 901-874-3230. While in the PEB process, you are still required to adhere to OPNAVINST 6110.1J. There is no such thing as a PERMANENT WAIVER from the PFA.
 
SPC H said:
What form do I need to give my PEBLO to have my flag removed?
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I believe it was a DA 248, or something along those lines. It is the flag form. PEBLO asked for it at the beginning.
 
My PEBLO just called my BN S-1 shop and told them they had to remove it. They did it right away per agreement with the BN CDR that they wrongly flagged me when I entered the MEB.
 
Mathew Wilson said:
from what I know, that isn't entirely true, I have been told ( and seen ) that you can't be flagged for overweight IF you had a profile prior to being overweight that allowed you to take no form of a pt test, no alternate events either, basically a total "dead mans" profile.

That is what i've been told
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In the Army, a Soldier must always meet HT/WT standards, even if they have a permanent or temporary profile. The only Soldier's exempt from this are Soldier's who have a pregnancy profile. If a Soldier has a "dead man's profile" he or she is still not exempt from maintaining HT/WT standards IAW AR 600-9. If there is no underlying medical condition and satisfactory progress cannot be made to maintain HT/WT standards, it is the Commander's discretion to initiate a chapter for administrative separation.

If there is a underlying medical condition preventing the Soldier from maintaining the standard, that will be taken into consideration by the Commander and he or she may refer the Soldier to an MEB.
 
id look up to my post, as i pulled out of the reg and it helped the guy out. The letter from medical personel to the unit commander saying the soldier has an underlying medical condition and cannot participate in the height and weight program is clear brother. My letter was sent a year ago and since im not allowed to do pt or participate in the height and weight program theres always away.
 
No Slack Bayonet said:
id look up to my post, as i pulled out of the reg and it helped the guy out. The letter from medical personel to the unit commander saying the soldier has an underlying medical condition and cannot participate in the height and weight program is clear brother. My letter was sent a year ago and since im not allowed to do pt or participate in the height and weight program theres always away.
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Straight from the people who write and regulate AR 600-9. Go to paragraph 2 to address the dead mans profile. Just because one unit interpets the regulation favorably does not mean it is how the rule reads. If you are assigned to a WTU, you are required to be enrolled in adaptive PT. The WTU's have a pretty good grasp on the regulations since every soldier they deal with is on some form of profile.

http://www.armyg1.army.mil/hr/weight/docs/600-9_FAQs.pdf

"Q: If a Soldier has an underlying medical condition and is being treated by
a healthcare provider for that condition, is he/she exempt from AR 600-9?
A: A Soldier found to have a temporary underlying medical condition which
directly causes weight gain or prohibits weight loss(for example, a metabolic
condition such as thyroid disease, not currently under control) as determined by
a healthcare provider may be temporarily exempt from enrollment into the Army
Weight Control Program. The flag will remain in place. The Soldier is expected
to be in compliance with AR 600-9 effective the ending date of that prescribed
period. If not, he/she will be enrolled in the Army Weight Control Program.

Use of certain medications that may cause weight gain, “dead man’s” profile, and
recovery from surgery/injury are not considered “underlying medical conditions”,
and should not be used to temporarily exempt a Soldier from enrollment in the
AWCP. Additionally, “not medically cleared” does not equate to temporarily
exempt from meeting the weight control and/or body fat standard. Extenuating
circumstances should be forwarded to this office for waiver request
consideration."
 
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