Is my annuity post meb taxable?

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Hi. I finished my meb and was medically retired (perm list) on 29FEB. 90% VA. 60% DoD. My retirement les just showed up in my pay. Its not showing any taxes coming out of it. Only deduction is survivor benefit. Is that right? I thought I'd be paying taxes on the part that's not VA. I am National Guard and have my 20 yr letter, but won't turn 60 for almost 13 more years, and will convert to my longevity retirement at that point. It would be a nice surprise to not have taxes on the annuity until I start taking my longevity retirement at 60. Also, I was medical and never involved in direct combat, instrumentality of war,...I just saw downstream effects of combat, so I don't have any if those codes, other than that I was present in a combat zone.

I just want to figure out if I have to make estimated tax payments or not. Not exactly sure when my first check will arrive. Only date on the LES was today, which I imagine just means it was input and needs to go through another review or something.

Thanks
 
Hello,

TDRL/PDRL Exemption: If you retired under a disability law (Temporary Disability Retirement List or Permanent Disability Retirement List), your retired pay will be fully non-taxable if your pay is calculated based upon your military (not VA) disability percentage and you meet one of the following conditions:
  • You were in the military or under a contractual obligation to join the military on September 24, 1975, or
  • Your military disability rating is combat-related
The welcome letter you received from DFAS when you first retired indicates whether your pay is computed using your military percentage of disability or your years of service.

You probably will receive another RAS soon. My most recent CRSC Stmt is 21 Feb. check MyPay around the 21st.
CRSC stmts and RAS are generated around the same date.

Ron
 
Hi. I finished my meb and was medically retired (perm list) on 29FEB. 90% VA. 60% DoD. My retirement les just showed up in my pay. Its not showing any taxes coming out of it. Only deduction is survivor benefit. Is that right? I thought I'd be paying taxes on the part that's not VA. I am National Guard and have my 20 yr letter, but won't turn 60 for almost 13 more years, and will convert to my longevity retirement at that point. It would be a nice surprise to not have taxes on the annuity until I start taking my longevity retirement at 60. Also, I was medical and never involved in direct combat, instrumentality of war,...I just saw downstream effects of combat, so I don't have any if those codes, other than that I was present in a combat zone.

I just want to figure out if I have to make estimated tax payments or not. Not exactly sure when my first check will arrive. Only date on the LES was today, which I imagine just means it was input and needs to go through another review or something.

Thanks
Another thing to keep in mind, you won't pay FICA on DoD disability retirement.
Also, depending on your state, you may not pay state tax either.
 
Another thing to keep in mind, you won't pay FICA on DoD disability retirement.
Also, depending on your state, you may not pay state tax either.
Hello,

Military retired pay, disability or not, is NOT subject to FICA .

I received a regular retirement 30+ years ago and never paid any FICA tax.

The pay was characterized as
—-regular retired pay
or
—the former CRDP (which is/was retired pay)
or
—CRSC

Ron
 
Hello,

Military retired pay, disability or not, is NOT subject to FICA .

I received a regular retirement 30+ years ago and never paid any FICA tax.

The pay was characterized as
—-regular retired pay
or
—the former CRDP (which is/was retired pay)
or
—CRSC

Ron
you 2 are in agreement on that fact:)
 
I reviewed a lot of the posts concerning Chapter 61 taxable income. I read the excerpt Ron and many have provided from DFAS that covers combat related disabilities. 26 USC 104 (b)(2)(c) provides tax relief for combat related injuries and sickness. Can someone explain 26 USC 104 (b)(2)(d) in detail? If a Chapter 61 retiree receives VA compensation for the same referred disabilities, is he or she entitled to a tax-free pension? 26 USC 104 doesn't specify VA compensation for the same disabilities but most Chapter 61 retirees who go through IDES process are service connected for the same referred disabilities. IRS never restricted tax free treatment only for combat related disabilities. Why does DFAS leave the on application to receive VA compensation requirement out? There are four options listed in 26 USC 104 but DFAS list two on its website. I guess my understanding of the statute and FMR is in left field. Please provide more insight on this topic.
 
Hello,

Please see: The attached excerpt from LINK <----

The DoD Financial Regulation provides taxability information in consideration of IRS policies. Note: I am not an attorney nor a federal tax expert.

As you probably know, the DoD provides a rating for ONLY the disabilities that make the person unfit for continued service. The VA rates ALL service-connected disabilities.

The ratings by the VA do not impact the taxability (if any) of the DoD ratings EXCEPT as discussed below.

Reference: DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 24
* August 2023----


2.0 GROSS RETIRED PAY AND FITW
2.1 Subject to FITW

Retired pay is income and constitutes wages subject to FITW, except as otherwise indicated in this chapter. See Title 26 of the Code of Federal Regulations, section 31.3401(a)-1(b) (26 CFR 31.3401(a)-1(b)) for more information on collection of income tax at the source.

2.2 Not Subject to FITW
The gross retired pay of a member may not be subject to FITW if the member is on the Temporary Disability Retired List (TDRL) or Permanent Disability Retired List (PDRL), receiving disability retired pay and if:

2.2.1. On or before September 24, 1975, the member was entitled to receive retired pay computed on the basis of percentage of disability in accordance with 26 U.S.C. § 104(a)(4) and 26 U.S.C. § 104(b)(2)(A);\

2.2.2. On September 24, 1975, he or she was a member of the Armed Forces (or Reserve Component thereof) or under a binding written commitment to become such a member (26 U.S.C. §§ 104(a)(4) and 104(b)(2)(B));

2.2.3. The member is receiving disability retired pay because of a combat-related injury. The term “combat-related injury” means personal injury or sickness incurred as a direct result of armed conflict, or while engaged in extra hazardous service, or under conditions simulating war, or caused by an instrument of war. See 26 U.S.C. §§ 104(a)(4) and 104(b)(2)(C). The applicable Service makes the determination at the time of discharge. See DoD Instruction (DoDI) 1332.18, Disability Evaluation System (DES); or
Note: The amount of disability retired pay described in subparagraph 2.2.3 not subject to FITW is the amount related to the combat-related injury, but in no circumstances, will the nontaxable amount be less than the amount the member would be entitled to receive from the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for that injury.
2.2.4. The member would be entitled to disability compensation from the VA. See 26 U.S.C. §§ 104(a)(4) and 104(b)(2)(D). For those members who have waived all or a portion of retired pay in order to receive disability compensation from the VA, subtract the amount of retired pay waived from the gross retired pay to compute the member’s taxable income. Subtract the waived retired pay amount prior to subtracting other income reducing amounts, such as Survivor Benefit Plan (SBP) premiums. For members who receive retired pay computed based upon years of service and have a portion of retired pay that is tax exempt due to their retirement for disability under 10 U.S.C., Chapter 61, taxable pay is determined by reducing the gross retired pay by either the VA disability compensation entitlement or by the retired pay that would be exempt due to the percentage of disability, whichever is greater.
3.0 DISABILITY COMPENSATION NOT SUBJECT TO FITW
A member is entitled to exclude the disability compensation, additional amount, and retroactive disability compensation from the taxable portion of retired pay. In order to exclude retroactive amounts, a member must follow applicable Internal Revenue Service (IRS) procedures. Amended 1099-Rs are not provided for the retroactive period.
3.1 Disability Compensation
Disability compensation is the maximum amount that a member would be entitled to receive upon application to the VA.
3.2 Additional Amount
An additional amount is the difference between a prospective VA disability compensation award and the amount excluded under section 2.0.\

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Ron
 

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Ron:
Thanks for the information to include Chapter 24 section 2.2.4. which states that taxable pay is determine by reducing the gross pay by either the VA disability compensation entitlement or by the retired pay that would he exempt due to percentage of disability, whichever is greater. Most Chapter 61 retirees percentage of disability is greater than the VA compensation amount; therefore, they should be able to get the greater amount of taxable income exclusion which is percentage of disability determined through the IDES process.
 
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