Just Recieved My Proposed Ratings.. Now What

medic75 said:
Which statement do disagree with?

As you well know with the SSG board As per AR 600-8-19

1–26. Counseling of Soldiers not recommended for promotion
a. First-line leaders will counsel Soldiers who are eligible for promotion to PV2 through SSG without a waiver

(fully qualified) but not recommended in writing. Counseling will take place initially when the Soldier attains

eligibility, and at least every 3 months thereafter, and include information as to why the Soldier was not recommended

and what can be done to correct deficiencies or qualities that reflect a lack of promotion potential.

So this implies that she would have been counseled (As a PLT SGT I have seen other NCOs, not do this but if in writing it helps her case). In addition she IMHO would have to show that she would have had to been successful at the promotion board and the have the points in order to be promoted when she thinks she would have gone to the board. All of this would help her High 3 for DOD but not much else. Thanks for any clarification.
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Unless the unit is/was completely jacked up, if otherwise eligible for promotion consideration, there must be some documentation as to why the Soldier's packet was not considered. That documentation, if it states something like, "ineligible due to pending MEB/PEB" or the like would make the case very easy to prove. But, even in the absence of this (i.e, the unit really is jacked up and someone just "pulled" her packet/lined her name out without any explanation), if she was eligible but her records were not considered by the regular board, seems to me that a Standby Advisory Board could readily be convened.

As for it not being worth the trouble....in the original posters case, it is hard to say without knowing all facts. She is close to 8 years, so, depending on how long she remains in and how far back (if at all) any promotion date would be effective, it may do little or a lot for her High-3. But, in general, the whole IDES process can still take years to complete, so for other readers, I think it is important to realize that the promotion in a case like this can be a significant deal.
 
ranger2992 said:
So using the Disability Calculator
http://www.dfas.mil/militarymembers/woundedwarrior/disabledretireest.html

I inputed your info and came up with some basic numbers. I used 7 years 6 months and averaged your last three years to $2725. I put in that you were married and have 1 child and then used the percents you listed. I also assumed that your CRSC would be approved. Here is what it came out to:

Expected Monthly VA Payment: $931
Retired Pay Differential:$159
Expected CRSC: $363
Total Pay: $1453

The above assumes that CRSC is approved, but remember it will not come until after your ratings are official and then you file the paperwork. Play with the calculator and see where you fall in different situations.

I am not sure how much more you will be able to up your Army percent. What I do see is you can gain some more from VA if you file new claims. The more your VA pay goes up, it is going to over take your Army retired pay and you will not get paid by the Army unless you get approved for CRSC. As you can see, the Army will only be paying you $159 with the ratings the way they sit.

To me the biggest factor I would look at is what I could gain, or lose from appealing my 199.

What you have now:
1. 40% retirement ($1090/mo)
2. Tricare at the retiree rate(I pay $44 per month for whole family)
3. Post priveledges
4. VA rating at 60%

What you could get:
1. 50% retirement ($1363/mo),60% retirement ($1635/mo), 70% retirement ($1907/mo), 75% retirement ($2044/mo)
2. Increased VA ratings as well

What you risk:
1. Your percentages can go down
2. If you drop below 30% you lose retirement and are given severence
3. You lose tricare
4. You lose post priveledges
5. Staying in the Army anoth 6-12 months

Each person has to make the choice themself. This is very important because you are going to own the decision and be the dirrectly affected by it. I spent 30 minutes analysing the pluses and minuses of your case. You should spend days with a pen and paper making a list of ups and downs. Look them over and then make the best decision.

My last point is in regards to your radiculopathy. This should be listed as a separate condition. I had to appeal it, but I caught it in the NARSUM stage so it didn't cost me much as far as time. The VASRD rates it completely separate and there is no way for them to include it in your DDD rating.

Good Luck
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what is CRSC?
 
Jason Perry said:
Unless the unit is/was completely jacked up, if otherwise eligible for promotion consideration, there must be some documentation as to why the Soldier's packet was not considered. That documentation, if it states something like, "ineligible due to pending MEB/PEB" or the like would make the case very easy to prove. But, even in the absence of this (i.e, the unit really is jacked up and someone just "pulled" her packet/lined her name out without any explanation), if she was eligible but her records were not considered by the regular board, seems to me that a Standby Advisory Board could readily be convened.

As for it not being worth the trouble....in the original posters case, it is hard to say without knowing all facts. She is close to 8 years, so, depending on how long she remains in and how far back (if at all) any promotion date would be effective, it may do little or a lot for her High-3. But, in general, the whole IDES process can still take years to complete, so for other readers, I think it is important to realize that the promotion in a case like this can be a significant deal.
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Standby Advisory Boards only apply to DA Centralized Promotion Selection Boards. Promotions to SGT or SSG fall under Semi-Centralized Boards.
 
ironmedic_98 said:
Standby Advisory Boards only apply to DA Centralized Promotion Selection Boards. Promotions to SGT or SSG fall under Semi-Centralized Boards.
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Yes, which would make the case for her even easier- under Para. 5-29, the erroneous removal from recommended list should just result in placement back on the list and subsequent promotion. (Again, in order for the "removal" in the first place, there had to have been required counseling....It is not beyond belief that the unit somehow accomplished removal of her name from list without following any of the proper procedures. I would think that unless the entire organization is jacked up, the command inspection program should catch this error. But, it seems to me that if she was otherwise qualified, there was no way she could have been properly taken off the list for being in an MEB/PEB process.

Either way (whether under a STAB or under the provisions of Para. 5-29, a Soldier in these circumstances should be able to get the issue fixed without too much effort.
 
ranger2992 said:
I don't remember having this option when I had to sign my 199. I remember being able to sign and agree, or appeal to the FPEB.

Either way, it will go towards the time consideration I mentioned above. If it's worth it, then go for it. If not, take what you have, get out and get your final ratings and ask for a reconsideration.

Stacey: You should be checking into Rehab program too. You I don't see why you wouldn't qualify and it's an awesome program. It's like 5 steps above the GI bill in my opinion. I got accepted into the program and they were gonna do great things for me. I ended up not using it because of this GS 12 job I got, but I can jump back into it if for some reason this doesn't work out. If you want to know more about it, PM me.
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Are you talking about Vocational Rehab.
 
Stacey Bredijk said:
Yes I was!
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Were you counseled in writing? Have you followed up with this issue any further? You should go to legal assistance and discuss your issues with a JAG.
 
My last day in is tomorrow. I got my DD 214 today. I signed my 199 in NOV 2012, and still have not received the final ratings back from the VA.
 
Stacey Bredijk said:
My last day in is tomorrow. I got my DD 214 today. I signed my 199 in NOV 2012, and still have not received the final ratings back from the VA.
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Well, your 'proposed' ratings should have been annotated on 199 and mailed to you via the VA in a 'Proposed Ratings' packet. 'Official' or "final" ratings won't come until after separation.
 
Stacey Bredijk said:
My last day in is tomorrow. I got my DD 214 today. I signed my 199 in NOV 2012, and still have not received the final ratings back from the VA.
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Your PEBLO is supposed to give you your proposed ratings packet when you come in to review tour 199. Were you given the alotted time to seek legal counsel for thier assistance?
 
I start my trans leave saturday but cant pick up clearing papers till tomorrow so i have one day to clear because friday begins the 4day for pres day

So ill be wasting about a week of leave having to stay on bragg to finish clearing and sign my dd 214

Oh and to top it off my PCM cant see me till the 20th for my final appt
 
SPC Leggett said:
I start my trans leave saturday but cant pick up clearing papers till tomorrow so i have one day to clear because friday begins the 4day for pres day

So ill be wasting about a week of leave having to stay on bragg to finish clearing and sign my dd 214

Oh and to top it off my PCM cant see me till the 20th for my final appt
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What a bunch sh**, when I worked in Transitions as soon as a soldier picked up thier orders they could go and pick-up clearing papers. Especially since you only have 10 days to clear. You are reallllly being done wrong!!!
 
Sascha Roberson said:
What a bunch sh**, when I worked in Transitions as soon as a soldier picked up thier orders they could go and pick-up clearing papers. Especially since you only have 10 days to clear. You are reallllly being done wrong!!!
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I've had my orders for about a couple weeks but I was waiting for my leave packet to come back, I put my leave packet in on the 6th but they kicked it back last week because they said since I'm staying n the state of NC that I only can use 10 days tdy so I had to put together a new leave packet without tdy and I just got my leave packet back a couple days ago
 
this is happening to me now! not sure what to do, conveniently notify me friday that i have 30 days to seperate? i haven't even seen paperwork much les knew i had a PEB. I was put non deployable a couple of months ago for chronic pain(peroneal nerve) 12 years in too! 30 days! if this is true i'm screwed
 
Veteran Sailor said:
this is happening to me now! not sure what to do, conveniently notify me friday that i have 30 days to seperate? i haven't even seen paperwork much les knew i had a PEB. I was put non deployable a couple of months ago for chronic pain(peroneal nerve) 12 years in too! 30 days! if this is true i'm screwed
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Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

I would strongly suggest that you go seek the immediate assistance of the JAG or Military Legal Assistance Office!

Moreover, are you currently within the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process? If so, were you assigned a PEBLO? Did you seek the assistance of the SMEBC and/or SPEBC while in the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process (if applicable)?

To that extent, please remain positively proactive throughout your interactions to ensure the best possible solution(s) for yourself, and your loved ones. Never default acceptance to potential injustice while serving as a military service member in the U.S. Armed Forces.

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
i appreciate it, i came in for my night shift with this dropped on my lap so in the morning i'll know more. And see the paperwork which i would assume has a percentage on it? my mind is almost numb,
 
Veteran Sailor said:
i appreciate it, i came in for my night shift with this dropped on my lap so in the morning i'll know more. And see the paperwork which i would assume has a percentage on it? my mind is almost numb,
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Understood, and you are welcome! :)

In my opinion, positive thinking yields positive results! ;)

Remain professional, and keep your military bearing while reviewing the paperwork in the morning. Afterwards, I strongly suggest that you immediately seek JAG or Military Legal Assistance for recommendations and advice.

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
Veteran Sailor said:
this is happening to me now! not sure what to do, conveniently notify me friday that i have 30 days to seperate? i haven't even seen paperwork much les knew i had a PEB. I was put non deployable a couple of months ago for chronic pain(peroneal nerve) 12 years in too! 30 days! if this is true i'm screwed
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Veteran Sailor,

Hope all goes well for you. Best if you open your own post/thread on your issues. If not, your issues may get lost in the "noise" of other threads. Sounds like you have some serious issues with your situation.
 
You didn't know you had a PEB? Did you have a MEB? These are things you would be aware of due to the appointments needed and paperwork that you would have to sign. Are you perhaps being separated for a condition not a disability? If so, send me a PM.

Mike
 
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