Medical retirement less then 30% but have 20 years

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I am trying to get information on the subject of a medical retirement where I only am awarded less then 30% DOD. if I have 20 years AFS do I still get to retire with my 50% base pay?
One of my conditions is PTSD and I read that it would be TDRL. What does that mean for me?
 
I am trying to get information on the subject of a medical retirement where I only am awarded less then 30% DOD. if I have 20 years AFS do I still get to retire with my 50% base pay?
One of my conditions is PTSD and I read that it would be TDRL. What does that mean for me?
It's my understanding that your 20 years AFS will trump any DOD percentage for why you were initiated for MEB.

You'll get credit for length of service, which would be 50% of your base pay at 20 years. You'll also receive your VA compensation under CRDP.

It's also my understanding that because one of your conditions is PTSD, you'll first be placed on TDRL where the VA will want to conduct more C&P exams up to 36 months after you're officially retired to see if your PTSD condition improves. If they believe your PTSD improved, they can lower your VA rating for this condition, which would adjust your overall VA disability payments (potentially; depending on your overall VA claims). None of this would affect your length of service retirement pay. You'll eventually be placed on PRDL in the future.

I'll let others chime in as well, but this is my understanding from a macro perspective. There are likely other nuances that someone with more experience can hopefully share and help you out.
 
I am trying to get information on the subject of a medical retirement where I only am awarded less then 30% DOD. if I have 20 years AFS do I still get to retire with my 50% base pay?
One of my conditions is PTSD and I read that it would be TDRL. What does that mean for me?
First of all, if you're less than 30% DoD, you're not retired, you're separated with (or without) severance pay, i.e., lump sump payment. If you're being told you'll be TDRL, you're base rating is 50% (or higher), you would get whichever is higher, either your LOS or Ch 61 retirement (the latter being non-taxable if your retirement orders are coded properly).
 
Very good Mike; I was about to mention the higher percentage is used (disability percentage or longevity percentage).

Also as you noted, he did mention 20 years AFS rather than 20 good years. Often, 20 years “service” is used without regard to AFS or 20 good years.
Ron
 
First of all, if you're less than 30% DoD, you're not retired, you're separated with (or without) severance pay, i.e., lump sump payment. If you're being told you'll be TDRL, you're base rating is 50% (or higher), you would get whichever is higher, either your LOS or Ch 61 retirement (the latter being non-taxable if your retirement orders are coded properly).
I am confused. Assuming his "20 years AFS" is in fact 20 years of active duty, zero breaks, etc, or as Ron mentioned above, "20 good years", how is there any scenario where he won't be retired no matter what his DOD rating is as part of the MEB/PEB process? Any clarification will be appreciated.
 
I am confused. Assuming his "20 years AFS" is in fact 20 years of active duty, zero breaks, etc, or as Ron mentioned above, "20 good years", how is there any scenario where he won't be retired no matter what his DOD rating is as part of the MEB/PEB process? Any clarification will be appreciated.
Valid point, I must have missed the "20 years AFS" in my haste to respond (that and recovering from shoulder surgery isn't helping lol). OP would be retired, regardless of the outcome of IDES. My concern was "if I was awarded less than 30% for retirement". Anyway, OP would retire, with whatever their IDES rating that's combat-related being non-taxable vs the LOS retirement. Tag that with the VA and all of CRDP is non-taxable vs the retirement portion being taxed.

The other tidbit is depending on how DFAS processes the retirement, if it's IDES, then the higher % gets applied first, then once the VA hits, it would switch to LOS + VA for being CRDP. It takes a couple of months for things to settle out, but needs to be kept a close eye on.
 
Valid point, I must have missed the "20 years AFS" in my haste to respond (that and recovering from shoulder surgery isn't helping lol). OP would be retired, regardless of the outcome of IDES. My concern was "if I was awarded less than 30% for retirement". Anyway, OP would retire, with whatever their IDES rating that's combat-related being non-taxable vs the LOS retirement. Tag that with the VA and all of CRDP is non-taxable vs the retirement portion being taxed.

The other tidbit is depending on how DFAS processes the retirement, if it's IDES, then the higher % gets applied first, then once the VA hits, it would switch to LOS + VA for being CRDP. It takes a couple of months for things to settle out, but needs to be kept a close eye on.
Mike, thanks for the clarification. The above makes sense from what I have researched. Get well soon!
 
Yes
 
Reference: “The other tidbit is depending on how DFAS processes the retirement, if it's IDES, then the higher % gets applied first, then once the VA hits, it would switch to LOS + VA for being CRDP. It takes a couple of months for things to settle out, but needs to be kept a close eye on.”

1. IF, the individual is medically retired AND also qualified for CRDP, the higher percentage (disability and longevity) is still used.

2. The retired pay is reduced by the amount of the VA comp (which might result in residual retired pay). CRDP restores the longevity portion of retired pay AND CRDP when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount. In other words the CRDP will be reduced by the residual retired pay amount.

3. If this involved a reserve member with 20/good years, that member would not be eligible for non-regular retirement until they attained the age requirement. CRDP would start at that time.

4. My knowledge of IDES is limited. I do not know for sure if a person who is fully eligible for a regular retirement can still be retired under the disability guidelines. I “think” I have seen such cases.

Ron
 
4. My knowledge of IDES is limited. I do not know for sure if a person who is fully eligible for a regular retirement can still be retired under the disability guidelines. I “think” I have seen such cases.

Ron
They can, however, that's when the DFAS shell game kicks into play and needs to be monitored closely otherwise the veteran ends up on the losing side of things.
 
Do any of you know what law a Soldier with over 20 years AFS, found unfit, would be retired at with less than 30% DOD? Would it still be under Chapter 61 or revert to something like 10 USC 7314 or 10 USC 1370?
 
Do any of you know what law a Soldier with over 20 years AFS, found unfit, would be retired at with less than 30% DOD? Would it still be under Chapter 61 or revert to something like 10 USC 7314 or 10 USC 1370?
I do not know which law it would fall under, but it would be considered "retirement in lieu of separation", same goes for a reserve component member with 20 good years, in that case they would get their retirement at age 60 (or earlier by law)
 
I do not know which law it would fall under, but it would be considered "retirement in lieu of separation", same goes for a reserve component member with 20 good years, in that case they would get their retirement at age 60 (or earlier by law)
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has gone through this scenario and what their orders state. The High 36 law has exceptions for select personnel retired under 10 USC 7314 that reduces their pension, but it doesn't apply to those retired under Chapter 61.
 
I believe this is addressed in AR 635-40, Chapter 4-27. I know on DFAS website it’s states that if you are over 20 AFS and rated below 30% that retirement will be required regardless. I would imagine because you are considered unfit but do not meet the threshold to qualify for disability retirement. Doesn’t make sense to me but a lot of things in the military doesn’t make sense. I am curious about this subject as well…
 
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has gone through this scenario and what their orders state. The High 36 law has exceptions for select personnel retired under 10 USC 7314 that reduces their pension, but it doesn't apply to those retired under Chapter 61.
A very valid question, I have encountered a decent amount of folks who were reserve component that were able to opt for retirement in lieu of severance, but that was many years ago. I'll try to remember to ask my friend who is a PEBLO Supervisor and certainly would see this, unfortunately (or fortunately?), she's in Ireland on vacation LOL.
 
I believe this is addressed in AR 635-40, Chapter 4-27. I know on DFAS website it’s states that if you are over 20 AFS and rated below 30% that retirement will be required regardless. I would imagine because you are considered unfit but do not meet the threshold to qualify for disability retirement. Doesn’t make sense to me but a lot of things in the military doesn’t make sense. I am curious about this subject as well…
Actually, it isn't as far-fetched as one might think: a high VA rating but only 1 referred condition ending up with 10% DoD comes to mind, and if they're at 20+ years, then there you go, retirement in lieu of. Goes for both active and reserves, the key is hitting that 20-year mark, unless you're USMC then you can, if approved, retire at 15 under TERA.
 
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