PEBLO telling chain of command I'll probably be return to duty, my package went to Cleveland...

Ok sorry for creating another topic, but as I said in my last one: I'm being placed in a 1 man position and if/when I get found unfit, I'm afraid I will be unable to take terminal leave and separate properly because of my critical position. This has me really stressed.

So first of all, my IPEB package was sent to Randolph on 23 December. In February my package was sent to Baltimore. On 20 March, it was sent to Cleveland. According to ebenefits, it was closed and a notification was sent on 28 March. I finally got a hold of my PEBLO and asked him the status, he told me that it going to Baltimore and Cleveland is JUST IN CASE it's unfit, to "save time." He said his feeling was that it is RTD, and he CC'd my Flight Chief on the email too. Now my Flight Chief won't listen to my suggestion that he NOT put me in a 1-deep slot with no backup.

3 questions:

1) Is it possible I'll be returned to duty? Before my package went, I was told I'd probably be unfit. I even had a long discussion with my Commander and she wrote me a recommendation letter saying she'd miss me but suggested separation. If there is a Reg saying that it only goes to Baltimore for Unfit, can someone link me to the entire thing so I can show them?

I've attached what my ebenefits looks like.


2) If it comes back as unfit, can they prevent me from taking terminal while they bring a new person back and train them into my job?

3) How much longer can I possibly be hanging on a thread like this? The uncertainty and waiting is so stressful, it's basically all I can think about.

Once again, sorry for another topic. Thanks everyone for your help.
 
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1. Nothing for you...

2. Terminal Leave is at the Commanders discretion... If they say no to your leave request (find out before you get ratings) and they say you have to train someone else before seperation and you have to sell your days. Plus you choose your own seperation date in a 90 day window, to include time for Terminal Leave... So if they are going to deny you, you could choose less than 30 days for your seperation date...

3. Hanging on a thread is what we do while on MEB, there is nothing but randomness when it comes to time-lines... I feel your pain, I should be waiting on VA ratings by now, but I haven't fully made it into the PEB status because of the Madigan Hospital fiasco...
 
If you are separated with severance than the commander has the discretion to approve/deny your terminal leave. If you are being separated with 30% or more than you are being medically retired and they must allow you to take your full retirement leave plus 20 days permissive tdy for job hunting. Also once your 199 is drawn up and the PDA sends your separation orders your unit cannot hold you, you must separate. 90 days to separate is a maximum not an allowable time frame for a Soldier or Command to "find a replacement." 90 days would be the maximum when you include 5 days outprocessing + 75 days maximum leave + 20 days maximum ptdy for job hunting. I know that adds up to over 90 days, but in the event they make you sell back your leave and you get severanced, it could be very fast. I would stop worrying about a replacement and I would contact the ombudsman or IG about your duty position.
 
Well I'm sort of not worried about being stuck in a critical position anymore, based on your responses.

The only thing left to worry about is whether I'll be found unfit or not. I can't find any DOD or AF Instruction that says it only goes to Baltimore for unfit. I really don't want to be returned to duty, the shame and judgement from other people for my injury is just too much.
 
Your peblo shouldn't be telling your command anything. My peblo told me its none of their business and if they want to know anything they need to call your medical lawyer ( whatever its called). And if you ides and it goes to the va your unfit already.
 
Tony_D,

I'm guessing your junior enlisted? If so, I can see where a Flight Chief could upset you--don't let that happen. Thoughts from a former squadron commander:

First, your PEBLO has no business communicating anything about your MEB with your Flight Chief (other than your scheduled appointments), unless YOU give permission to the PEBLO to disucss with someone other than you, your doctors, your squadron commander, squadron section commander, and First Sergeant. This falls under HIPPA and AFI. Any comments your PEBLO made to the Flight Chief as to outcome--fit or unfit--is purely speculation.

Second, what sort of one-deep job are you in that is so critical to your unit? You must be amazing if you're that hard to replace! If your Flight Chief is so concerned, he should be getting someone ramped up and flying right seat with you now to ensure there is someone trained and ready to step in when/if you must seperate or retire. Sounds like your Flight Chief has a problem with managing his human resources. That is his problem, not yours.

Third, PTDY and terminal leave can only be approved by the Squadron Commander (or section commander). yes, they can deny leave if mission dictates...but if they do deny your terminal leave, than recommend you climb the chain of command to the Group and Wing Commanders to appeal. There is no mission short of actual combat that would be justification for denying an Airman terminal leave. I don't believe this is in an AFI, but it is good common sense commander/leadership practice--goes to taking care of your people. Do not stress out over your Flight Chief's opinion/stand in this case---there is bound to be someone in your chain of command that cares. Don't make waves unless your terminal leave is denied by the squadron commander. And if you must appeal a denial of leave, do it respectfully.

If you're worried about whether you'll be found fit or unfit, then please read the AFI on medical standards...not sure what your medical conditions are, but this AFI will help...and you know best if your conditions allow you to perform the duties of your AFSC. While a squadron cmdr, I lost a few very good Airmen and NCOs to medical retirements/separations. A few were unexpected outcomes from the MEB process, some took out key players from my squadron NCO leadership--but I always approved the PTDY and terminal leave. I believe it's the right thing to do as these folks need the time to decompress and transition to civilian life, as well as begin the process of getting on with their lives.

Good luck!
 
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Tony_D,

I'm guessing your junior enlisted? If so, I can see where a Flight Chief could upset you--don't let that happen. Thoughts from a former squadron commander:

First, your PEBLO has no business communicating anything about your MEB with your Flight Chief (other than your scheduled appointments), unless YOU give permission to the PEBLO to disucss with someone other than you, your doctors, your squadron commander, squadron section commander, and First Sergeant. This falls under HIPPA and AFI. Any comments your PEBLO made to the Flight Chief as to outcome--fit or unfit--is purely speculation.

Second, what sort of one-deep job are you in that is so critical to your unit? You must be amazing if you're that hard to replace! If your Flight Chief is so concerned, he should be getting someone ramped up and flying right seat with you now to ensure there is someone trained and ready to step in when/if you must seperate or retire. Sounds like your Flight Chief has a problem with managing his human resources. That is his problem, not yours.

Third, PTDY and terminal leave can only be approved by the Squadron Commander (or section commander). yes, they can deny leave if mission dictates...but if they do deny your terminal leave, than recommend you climb the chain of command to the Group and Wing Commanders to appeal. There is no mission short of actual combat that would be justification for denying an Airman terminal leave. I don't believe this is in an AFI, but it is good common sense commander/leadership practice--goes to taking care of your people. Do not stress out over your Flight Chief's opinion/stand in this case---there is bound to be someone in your chain of command that cares. Don't make waves unless your terminal leave is denied by the squadron commander. And if you must appeal a denial of leave, do it respectfully.

If you're worried about whether you'll be found fit or unfit, then please read the AFI on medical standards...not sure what your medical conditions are, but this AFI will help...and you know best if your conditions allow you to perform the duties of your AFSC. While a squadron cmdr, I lost a few very good Airmen and NCOs to medical retirements/separations. A few were unexpected outcomes from the MEB process, some took out key players from my squadron NCO leadership--but I always approved the PTDY and terminal leave. I believe it's the right thing to do as these folks need the time to decompress and transition to civilian life, as well as begin the process of getting on with their lives.

Good luck!
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Yes, I'm a SrA. We've had half of of my AFSC PCS or Separate in the last year, and in the next few months we'll have gone from 20 to 6 bodies, so we're really short manned; I'm the only person filling a 3 person shop. I've been burning some leave this last month to get my terminal down to a more "allowable" level, because I had 50 days of leave. I'm on very good terms with my Squadron Commander, so I'm hoping she feels the same as you. Thank you :)
 
Here's my cursory take on your situation Tony D....if your CC recommended separation, then it's a 99.9% probability that you will be DWSP (discharged with severance pay), assuming your condition doesn't warrant at least a 30% disability rating needed for permanent retirement. I just retired from the FPEB as the Personnelist and Reserve Board member (consisted of me, the board president and the medical representative). We can talk off line if you want a more thorough idea of what will probably happen with your case....see my sig block for my email address.
 
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