VA Disability pay + TDRL Whats the truth?

Once armed with all the data that armyflyer7 has posted, do the math.

If you want to double check yourself to make sure you are on target, try this:


Go to http://www.dfas.mil/Calculator.htm When I input my projected information, it came out with a pretty accurate total.

You may be shocked at the amount you MAY or MAY NOT receive for your CRSC (Combat Related Special Compensation). Dollars vary from person to person - situation to situation.


Just be sure you input your combat/combat related only percentage in the CRSC box. Do not include service connected.


Hope this helps you, too.


I would be interested in seeing if the DFAS calculator is as accurate as it is supposed to be.


Would you please let us know?

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
Dear armyflyer7:

Thank-you for helping to get the math straight. It's a real hummer for me to do.

Got two questions for you about the math part and hope you know the answers.

1. As a National Guard trying to add this up from my RPAS, which types of time counts toward the total? What types of time do not?

2. Say, for example, I get to a correct total of creditable time and that figure is 13 years, 5 months and 23 days. Do the bean-counters round up or round down any of this time?

Thank-you again for your help on this!
Expiring minds wanna know.
v/r,
nwlivewire
 
I just used the link that you posted nwlivewire and it came out to the EXACT dollar amount that i get.

It is about time that DFAS put something online. When I put the numbers in it did tell me that my numbers were more extensive and I should call a case worker, but at least there is something for people to go to.
 
Dear armyflyer7:

Thank-you for your quick response to my questions about the creditable time.
So in this situation, they round up or down to the nearest month, as opposed to the nearest year and, as such, they will have to base their computations on full years and 1/12 of years. Yes?

So 13 years 6 month and 12 days equals 13.5 years - not 14 for retirement years? Yes?

I am glad to read that DFAS is putting out accurate stuff for us. It took me quite awhile to find this particular calculator. Maybe if it is accurate, we can add to this site for others to use for a baseline so they won't have to wait so long for an answer from their PEBLO. Or at least, they can plug in some guestimates while they sre waiting for the official answer.

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
nwlivewire,

You are right on track.

DFAS figures you credible service out to 4 decimal places as well. (13.5000) Their computations online don't allow for that, but they are very close to the actual numbers that I don't think that a few cents will make a difference.

I agree that DFAS should have posted this site a long time ago, when CRSC was created. I created a worksheet to compare CRSC to CRDP for medical retirees. It compares the two and allows for the individual to see the difference in pay, helping them select the right course of action. I can't post it on this site because of the format but do have a pre-worksheet that can be filled out and sent to me at which point I can input the numbers and email a copy back to the individual.

Here is a link to the pre-worksheet that I posted on here that will help individuals with over 15 years off service and pending a MEB figure out if they should take the medical retirement of continue on active duty until regular retirement.

http://www.pebforum.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=719&d=1267546497

I am hoping that the confusion that I had with CRSC/CRDP is lessened by this worksheet and all the help from the individuals on this site.
 
Dear armyflyer7:

Boy!
You're a boatload of knowledge! The BIG question I have is whether I can still try to get to 20 "good" years with the Guard - AND, whether the Guard will even take me back for the two years I would have left to go after I get parted out the the PDES process (sometime next year 2011).

I'll be 55 this year (2010) and am pretty banged up, but got all fingers, toes, arms, legs, and brain. Body can't don the body armor and helmet - so not deployable anymore and have an ongoing PTSD/MDD issue.

Would be nice to get a twenty year letter from what I read. I would be able to make my 20 years at age 58 (2013) and have to wait until 2015 to collect, right?

Could I draw VA while inbetween age 58-60 while I wait for Guard retirement to kick in?

Also, I have 28 days active duty service BEFORE Sep. 8, 1980. How does that figure into my calculations for TDRL/PDRL if I can't stay in to full retirement?

Thanks again!

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
nwlivewire,

If you are medically retired that will end your time in the Guard at that point. I am glad to hear that you have all your body parts. Now to answer all your questions.

You won't be able to continue on a get your 20 year letter, BUT and there is always a but... you can request a waiver from your State to continue in the Guard and waive the medical board. This will allow you to continue until you get 20 credible years and retire from the Guard. The State will have to be aware everything...i.e. non-deployability due to PTSD and not being able to wear military gear.

Once you decide to go that route and waive the medical board findings and what ever percentage they return to you, you will not be able to have another medical board for the same disabilities at a later date.

The good news now. By retiring at 20 years, you will be able to collect your VA compensation from 2013 to 2015 at which point you can start collecting your regular retirement. At that point you will get CRDP IF your VA compensation is 50% or greater, allowing you both paychecks. If your VA compensation is less than 50%, then it will offset you retirement pay by that amount.

With reguards to Sep 8, 1980 - DFAS will probably use final pay for you, but that is just a guess. You started you time in the Final Pay system so you should be considered under that IF you don't have any breaks in service/Guard time. What I found on this was:

"If you first entered a uniformed service* before September 8, 1980: Compute your retired pay based on length of service by multiplying the basic monthly pay for your retired grade at the time of retirement by the years of creditable active federal service at the rate of 2.5 percent for each whole year of service. This is called the "Final Pay" retirement system. That means you get 50% for 20 years of service up to a maximum of 100% for 40 years."

I am going to dig a little deeper into that question to find out for sure. You are the second person to ask me that. Thanks for making me learn more to help others.

Dear armyflyer7:

Boy!
You're a boatload of knowledge! The BIG question I have is whether I can still try to get to 20 "good" years with the Guard - AND, whether the Guard will even take me back for the two years I would have left to go after I get parted out the the PDES process (sometime next year 2011).

I'll be 55 this year (2010) and am pretty banged up, but got all fingers, toes, arms, legs, and brain. Body can't don the body armor and helmet - so not deployable anymore and have an ongoing PTSD/MDD issue.

Would be nice to get a twenty year letter from what I read. I would be able to make my 20 years at age 58 (2013) and have to wait until 2015 to collect, right?

Could I draw VA while inbetween age 58-60 while I wait for Guard retirement to kick in?

Also, I have 28 days active duty service BEFORE Sep. 8, 1980. How does that figure into my calculations for TDRL/PDRL if I can't stay in to full retirement?

Thanks again!

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
I have breaks in service. 1982 - 1986; 1990; 2004-5.
Does that void my pre-1980 final pay figure?
Do I now have to calculate using high-three?

That's the first I heard about having a break in service voiding the final pay scenario.
That would be a bummer.
 
It won't negate the Final Pay, but DFAS will make the final decision. They will look at all the DD 214's and figure out what pay to use. I believe they will stay with the final pay.
 
nwlivewire:

You will get final pay if medically retired.

James: I haven't had a chance to look at the worksheet. However, I will at some point soon. What is the problem with format and posting it? There is a lot of flexibility with this websites software, so I may be able to work around any problems in posting. (Also, be aware that due to spammers and some people posting sexually explicit material, some site "functions" are limited for different usergroups....I keep it pretty basic for most folks, mods have more permissions, and I am the only one with unrestricted admin permissions).

You won't be able to continue on a get your 20 year letter, BUT and there is always a but... you can request a waiver from your State to continue in the Guard and waive the medical board. This will allow you to continue until you get 20 credible years and retire from the Guard. The State will have to be aware everything...i.e. non-deployability due to PTSD and not being able to wear military gear.

Once you decide to go that route and waive the medical board findings and what ever percentage they return to you, you will not be able to have another medical board for the same disabilities at a later date.

First off, you may have come across something like the above actually happening. I can tell you that I have seen several State National Guard organizations do things that are simply not in the regulations. That said, I think you are talking about Continuation on Active Reserve (COAR) requests under Chapter 6, AR 635-40 (if you are referring to something else, please let us know, I am interested). If you are talking about COAR, the member does not have to waive disability processing at the end of the period of COAR, but they can. See Para. 6-6. (However, I am hard pressed to think of a reason why they might waive when they don't have to).

One other point. The procedures in AR 635-40 were published before the 2008 National Defense Authorization Act and the subsequent updates to "Permanent Limited Duty/Continuation after an unfit finding" provisions of DoDI 1332.38. These updates liberalize the criteria for staying in after an unfit finding. (By the way, this is something that I don't think enough people consider...I have successfully gone to BCNR and gotten a client length of service retirement when the PEB did not fully consider the request to stay on duty...you will ideally present evidence to support the application, but so few people actually do apply that I think they make a lot of mistakes on these types of requests).
 
Jason, thanks for the clarification on this. I have seen soldeirs on active duty sign a COAD and not know they authorized a review by the PEB prior to retirement. The CRSC/CDRP comparison worksheet that I have put together is a Microsoft Excel spreadsheet. I have given this web address out to over 20 soldiers going through the MEB process already. This site will definately help with many of their questions.

nwlivewire, here is some needed information as well. To be eligeble for a COAR, servicemember must (1) have a total of 15, but less than 20 years of qualifying service for nonregular retirement. (2) Qualified in a critical skill or shortage MOS. (3) Disability resulted from combat or terrorism.
 
nwlivewire, here is some needed information as well. To be eligeble for a COAR, servicemember must (1) have a total of 15, but less than 20 years of qualifying service for nonregular retirement. (2) Qualified in a critical skill or shortage MOS. (3) Disability resulted from combat or terrorism.

This is exactly my point about the updated regulations, though. I think it is easier/clearer/better for the member if they can meet the above criteria, because this would make the application more likely to be approved by the Army. But, even if you don't meet the criteria, I think that there is a strong basis for appeal, as the newer DoD regulations are more liberal than the older Army regulation. Therefore, I believe that a denial is very winnable on appeal as the DoD instruction is superior authority to the Army regulation (note that this is a relatively new issue, and I am not aware of anyone doing so yet....so keep all of this in mind if you decide to apply and are denied).
 
Just for further clarification. You only have to meet one or more of the qualifications for COAR as well.

(1) have a total of 15, but less than 20 years of qualifying service for nonregular retirement.
(2) Qualified in a critical skill or shortage MOS.
(3) Disability resulted from combat or terrorism.

All these regulations make it hard enough for us to keep up on it Jason, I know that it is that much harder for individuals going through the medical boards. Frustration.

I can see that I will be representing many servicemembers because of this reg. Terrorism is a broad statement and shouldn't be narrowed because of someone's outlook at the time.
 
Dear Jason and armyflyer7:

Whew! lol

More regulation reading. Thanks Jason! lol

I swear, by the time I get through this process myself, I'll be trained up enough to help others get through this, too.

This morning, when my State NG HQs Admin unit opens up, I will request an updated RPAS statement (Retirement Points document that shows all my time spent in military service).

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Dear armyflyer7:

Once I get an updated RPAS statement, I would like you to review it and help me figure out which points are counted. I understand some points are counted toward computation and other points are not. I do NOT know which points count and which do not.

Once I can get an accurate figure of points that count, then I can begin to get a more accurate assessment of options that may be available to me (COAR?) and I can take and make a decision on what path to take - if given a choice.

According to what I know, I have more than 15 "good" NG years (17), so COAD may be a viable option. I would like to consider this as one possible outcome to the many other possible outcomes that may present themselves (TDRL/PDRL).

I do not think that severance will be a possible outcome for me as my medical issues are greater than the parameters established for disability severance. If severance did occur, a definite appeal would happen.

In my State NG system, I currently hold a paragraph/line number as an NCOIC in a three-Soldier Military History Detachment (MHD), a detachment that has one Officer slot, one NCOIC slot, and one NCO slot. There are only 5-7 MHDs in the entire NG system, so it is a rather unique detachment and slot to fill (MOS pre-req is 46Q print journalist as they don't have an specific MOS for a military historical archivist). I have never served in a Public Affairs (PA) unit, which is normally where 46Qs go to, nor am I interested in moving to a PA unit. I would however, consider moving to a Civil Affairs unit if I had to, as my education and skill levels are more complimentary to this type of work. However, I do not believe my State has a NG Civil Affairs unit, so that option may be out for me. I will double check on this piece when they open up this morning.

In any event, I will request an updated RPAS statement and would like to send it to you, armyflyer7, so you can help me figure out the counted time vs. not counted time.
Getting an accurate total of time will help me know just where I stand in this landscape.

It might take those folks at the admin office a week or two to generate this document and send it to me.
Once I receive this document, would you help me figure this out?

Thank-you for your time and consideration in my request.

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
nwlivewire,

I will look at your RPAS statement once you have it and anything that you need assistance with. I also recommend that you get in contact with your local DAV (or any service organization) to assist with this process. This can get confusing throughout it and you don't want to make a wrong decision. I can also assist you with finding a local representative. I want to make sure you are taken care of nwlivewire.
 
Dear armyflyer7:

Thanks!!!

I'll be "dialing for dollars" as soon as their offices open up.

nwlivewire
 
My PEB findings came back. 50% PTSD, 20% Spine condition, 10% TBI = overall 60% TDRL
 
I've been trying to tell everybody. Everyone thinks that this NEW and IMPROVED method for handling Veterans' PTSD claims is GREAT.

HERE IT IS:

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July 12, 2010

New Regulations on PTSD Claims

Quick Facts:

This new rule is for Veterans of any era.

The new rule will apply to claims:

o received by VA on or after July 13, 2010;

o received before July 13, 2010 but not yet decided by a VA regional office;

o appealed to the Board of Veterans' Appeals on or after July 13, 2010;

o appealed to the Board before July 13, 2010, but not yet decided by the Board; and

o pending before VA on or after July 13, 2010, because the Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims vacated a Board decision and remanded for re-adjudication.

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS

"Stressor Determinations for Posttraumatic Stress Disorder"

1. What is Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD)?

Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) is a condition resulting from exposure to direct or indirect threat of death, serious injury or a physical threat. The events that can cause PTSD are called "stressors" and may include natural disasters, accidents or deliberate man-made events/disasters, including war. Symptoms of PTSD can include recurrent thoughts of a traumatic event, reduced involvement in work or outside interests, emotional numbing, hyper-alertness, anxiety and irritability. The disorder can be more severe and longer lasting when the stress is human initiated action (example: war, rape, terrorism).

2. What does this final regulation do?

This final regulation liberalizes the evidentiary standard for Veterans claiming service connection for post traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). Under current regulations governing PTSD claims, unless the Veteran is a combat Veteran, VA adjudicators are typically required to undertake extensive record development to corroborate whether a Veteran actually experienced the claimed in-service stressor. This final rulemaking will simplify and improve the PTSD claims adjudication process by eliminating this time-consuming requirement where the claimed stressor is related to "fear of hostile military or terrorist activity," is consistent with the places, types, and circumstances of their service, and a VA psychiatrist or psychologist, or contract psychiatrist or psychologist confirms that the claimed stressor is adequate to support a diagnosis of PTSD.

3. What types of claims for VA benefits does the final regulation affect?

The final regulation will benefit Veterans, regardless of their period of service. It applies to claims for PTSD service connection filed on or after the final regulation’s effective date, and to those claims that are considered on the merits at a VA Regional Office or the Board of Veterans’ Appeals on or after the effective date of the rule.

4. Why is this final regulation necessary?

The final regulation is necessary to make VA’s adjudication of PTSD claims both more timely and consistent with the current medical science.

5. How does this final regulation help Veterans?

The final regulation will simplify and streamline the processing of PTSD claims, which will result in Veterans receiving more timely decisions. A Veteran will be able to establish the occurrence of an in-service stressor through his or her own testimony, provided that: (1) the Veteran is diagnosed with PTSD; (2) a VA psychiatrist or psychologist, or a psychiatrist or psychologist with whom VA has contracted confirms that the claimed stressor is adequate to support a PTSD diagnosis; (3) the Veteran's symptoms are related to the claimed stressor; and (4) the claimed stressor is consistent with the places, types, and circumstances of the Veteran’s service and the record provides no clear and convincing evidence to the contrary. This will eliminate the requirement for VA to search for records, to verify stressor accounts, which is often a very involved and protracted process. As a result, the time required to adjudicate a PTSD compensation claim in accordance with the law will be significantly reduced.

6. How does VA plan to monitor the need for examiners in various regions of the country, and how does VA plan to respond if is determined that more examiners are needed in a particular region?

The Veterans Health Administration (VHA) has written in to the FY11-13 Operating Plan the need for additional staff to support doing adequate, timely exams. VHA proposes: "A8. Increase mental health field staff to address the increase in C&P examinations and develop monitoring system to ensure clinical delivery of mental health services does not decrease in VHA." Specifically, VHA has requested 125 clinicians for FY11 with additional 63 staff in FY12 if the need exists. If the Operating Plan and the proposed budget are approved, VA proposes asking the Veterans Integrated Service Networks (VISNs) to develop plans for distributing the funds in order to ensure adequate coverage at sites based on number of claims being processed; the VISNs are well positioned to determine these regional needs.

7. How does the regulatory revision affect PTSD service connection claims where an in-service diagnosis of PTSD has been rendered?

The new regulation does not apply to the adjudication of cases where PTSD has been initially diagnosed in service. Rather, under another VA rule, 38 CFR § 3.304(f)(1), if a Veteran is diagnosed with posttraumatic stress disorder during service and the claimed stressor is related to that service, in the absence of clear and convincing evidence to the contrary, and provided that the claimed stressor is consistent with the circumstances, conditions, or hardships of the Veteran's service, the Veteran's lay testimony alone may establish the occurrence of the claimed in-service stressor.

8. Is the new regulation applicable only if the Veteran's statements relate to combat or POW service?

No. The rule states that the stressor must be related to a "fear of hostile military or terrorist activity," and the claimed stressor must be "consistent with the places, types, and circumstances of the veteran’s service."

9. What circumstances will still require stressor verification through DoD’s Joint Services Records Research Center (JSRRC) , VBA’s Compensation &Pension Service (C&P Service), or other entity if a Veteran claims that his or her stressor is related to a fear of hostile or terrorist activity?

The regulatory revision will greatly lessen the need for undertaking development to verify Veterans’ accounts of in-service stressors. Now, stressor development may only need to be conducted if a review of the available record, such as the Veteran’s service personnel and/or treatment records, is inadequate to determine that the claimed stressor is "consistent with the places, types and circumstances of the veteran’s service." In such circumstances, the Veterans Service Representative (VSR) will determine on a case-by-case basis what development should be undertaken.

However, it is anticipated that in the overwhelming majority of cases adjudicated under the new version of § 3.304(f), a simple review of the Veteran’s service treatment and/or personnel records will be sufficient to determine if the claimed stressor is consistent with the places, types, and circumstances of the Veteran’s service. We also believe that, in some cases, a Veteran’s separation document, DD-Form 214, alone may enable an adjudicator to make such a determination.

10. As the regulatory revision seems to require an enhanced role for the examining VA mental health professional, whose role is it to determine whether the claimed stressor is consistent with the Veteran’s service?

VA adjudicators, not the examining psychiatrist or psychologist, will decide whether the claimed stressor is consistent with the Veteran’s service.

11. Is a Veteran's testimony about "fear of hostile military or terrorist activity" alone sufficient to establish a stressor?

Yes, if the other requirements of the regulation are satisfied, i.e., a VA psychiatrist or psychologist confirms that the claimed stressor is adequate to support a PTSD diagnosis and that the Veteran's symptoms are related to the claimed stressor, and the stressor is consistent with the "places, types, and circumstances of the Veteran’s service."

12. Are the stressors accepted as adequate for establishing service connection under new § 3.304(f)(3) limited to those specifically identified in the new regulation?

No. The examples given in the revised regulation do not represent an exclusive list in view of the use of the modifying phrase "such as" that precedes the listed examples. Any 4

event or circumstance that involves actual or threatened death or serious injury, or a threat to the physical integrity of the Veteran or others, would qualify as a stressor under new § 3.304(f)(3).

13. How will the Veterans Health Administration (VHA) work with Veterans Benefits Administration (VBA) on the new regulation?

VHA was actively involved in discussion with VBA of the new regulation and fully supports the new regulation.

The new regulation will provide fair evaluation for Veterans whose military records have been damaged or destroyed, or for whom no definitive reports of combat action appeared in their military records, even though they can report such actions and it is reasonable to believe that these occurred, given the time and place of service.

This will be especially beneficial to women Veterans, whose records do not specify that they had combat assignments, even though their roles in the military placed them at risk of hostile military or terrorist activity.

This means that more Veterans will become eligible for VA care and thus be able to receive VA care for mental illness related to their military service, as well as receiving full holistic health care.VHA will work actively with VBA on implementing the regulation. VHA staff’s main role is as clinicians conducting C&P interviews to establish diagnoses and obtain other information to be used by VBA raters to determine the outcome of claims.

The new regulation will not change the diagnostic elements of the C&P interview, but may change what additional data are collected for use by VBA raters.
 
Outstanding information!

May I ask where you found this information? This is really important to those of us who are in this fight.

Myself and others will need to cite the original source document or web page for their MEB/PEB and pass this along to their legal eagles, if represented.

Do let us know!

Thanks for posting this timely information. And yes. This will be particularly helpful for female PTSD sufferers as we have had some pretty high hurdles to overcome in the past with many of us unable to qualify due to the barriers that were placed before us. This should help to level the field for all servicemembers and vets that struggle with PTSD.

v/r,
nwlivewire
 
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