TDRL/PDRL At 10 years. CRSC Denied

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BigHurt50

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Evening,

I was TDRL right after my OEF deployment for Athsma, Sinusitis, Rhinitis. I was retired so fast that I'm afraid my records weren't properly documented.

I have submitted the document Ivorytower has posted for the reevaluating CRSC. Along with my Orders with country stamps to Uzbekistan. My Meritorious Service Medal stating in support of OEF along with my Dd214/Dd215 showing my GWOT expeditionary medal. I was still denied. What more do I need to support my claim of presumptive disabilities and in theater location to suffice with this attached recommendation.

Any insight or assistance in helping me figure this out would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Big Hurt aka Colin
 

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BigHurt50 said:
Evening,

I was TDRL right after my OEF deployment for Athsma, Sinusitis, Rhinitis. I was retired so fast that I'm afraid my records weren't properly documented.

I have submitted the document Ivorytower has posted for the reevaluating CRSC. Along with my Orders with country stamps to Uzbekistan. My Meritorious Service Medal stating in support of OEF along with my Dd214/Dd215 showing my GWOT expeditionary medal. I was still denied. What more do I need to support my claim of presumptive disabilities and in theater location to suffice with this attached recommendation.

Any insight or assistance in helping me figure this out would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Big Hurt aka Colin
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Hello @BigHurt50

What did the CRSC letter indicate was the reason for denial?

You did not mention that you submitted your VA award letter (received in the mail) as a supporting document. That is one of the most important documents in a case like yours.
The award letter should show the approval of the VA for the disease of injury.

Ron

From the Army:

In the case that a claimant does not agree with that determination, the applicant can submit a request to the U.S. Army CRSC Office for reconsideration of a decision.


  • The applicant must submit a Reconsideration Request Form (CRSC Form 12e) with new supporting documentation or other relevant information.​



    CRSC Reconsideration Request Form (CRSC Form 12e) (Jan 2019)

    Applying for a Reconsideration

    Important Tips
  • Carefully read through the Letter of Ineligibility or Disapproval - the letter will explain why the determination was made. (Sometimes all that is needed is a simple correction or clarification).
  • When submitting a request for reconsideration, provide the most relevant information first. This will ensure that any necessary corrections are made quickly and accurately.
Be Sure to Include:
  • A completed CRSC Reconsideration Form (CRSC Form 12e).
  • A detailed personal letter explaining your situation.
  • A copy of the correspondence (Ineligible/Disapproval) letter with new supporting documentation.
  • Documentation of any VA rating change.
  • Any new documentation that may positively reverse or improves an award decision.
 
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It stated, I'm paraphrasing.
Because you were in a location and incurred your disability does not mean that it was incurred during war, nor that my document stated that I was in the location identified by Gulf War presumptive.
 
So I'm thinking that the VA doesn't have them coded as incurred due to conflict. Ivorytower has messaged me stating I may need to get this changed with the VA before I resubmit.
 
Hello,

Here is the VA's list of diseases considered "presumptively caused by" service in the Gulf War:

Gulf War Illnesses linked to Southwest Asia service | Veterans Affairs <---LINK

Ron

Edited to add:

Many of my disabilities were shown in the VA award letter were "due tp service in the Republic of Vietnam during... and exposed to Agent Orange" It was something like that; I have not looked at those orders the award letter, in more than 15 years.
 
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The problem from a 30k foot level from my perspective is that you don't have a source document stating you were in Uzbekistan, source documents include but not limited to: award certificate, DA 638 (if Army) or similar Recommendation for Award (that's been approved to the approving authority level), DD-214/215, wartime Commander/1SG or higher in the chain of command letter corroborating the circumstances in your statement(s). Orders are not considered "source" documents.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
The problem from a 30k foot level from my perspective is that you don't have a source document stating you were in Uzbekistan, source documents include but not limited to: award certificate, DA 638 (if Army) or similar Recommendation for Award (that's been approved to the approving authority level), DD-214/215, wartime Commander/1SG or higher in the chain of command letter corroborating the circumstances in your statement(s). Orders are not considered "source" documents.
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I will look further into this as well.
Thank you!
 
I also ran a myvetrec report, and it showed my deployment dates, along with Uzbekistan as the location. The hazardous/immenant danger pay along with the same dates. So ill be checking my disability codes along with ensuring my documentation clearly fulfills my statement of presumption by location.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
The problem from a 30k foot level from my perspective is that you don't have a source document stating you were in Uzbekistan, source documents include but not limited to: award certificate, DA 638 (if Army) or similar Recommendation for Award (that's been approved to the approving authority level), DD-214/215, wartime Commander/1SG or higher in the chain of command letter corroborating the circumstances in your statement(s). Orders are not considered "source" documents.
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Excellent.

An evaluation report (NCOER, for enlisted back in my day), might include information about the duty location.

Ron
 
RonG said:
Excellent.

An evaluation report (NCOER, for enlisted back in my day), might include information about the duty location.

Ron
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Yes, thanks for reminding me! Evaluation Reports are also a source document, not even just for location, but may include what happened. Has been used for determining if something is considered "combat-related"
 
BigHurt50 said:
Evening,

I was TDRL right after my OEF deployment for Athsma, Sinusitis, Rhinitis. I was retired so fast that I'm afraid my records weren't properly documented.

I have submitted the document Ivorytower has posted for the reevaluating CRSC. Along with my Orders with country stamps to Uzbekistan. My Meritorious Service Medal stating in support of OEF along with my Dd214/Dd215 showing my GWOT expeditionary medal. I was still denied. What more do I need to support my claim of presumptive disabilities and in theater location to suffice with this attached recommendation.

Any insight or assistance in helping me figure this out would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks,
Big Hurt aka Colin
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Hi Colin,

Quick question. Did you have a DA199 that stated your disability was incurred as a result of combat or caused instrumentality of war? Or that the disability was combat-related?

Thanks and best of luck.

-Alex
 
Well I'm luckily not going to have to contact my VSO. When I resubmitted with my Evetrec along with decorations and orders. They accepted this as my location for GW presumptive.

I want to thank you all for this forum. It has helped me to get a better understanding of this system along with fine examples to utilize for my case.

Again Thank You,
Colin
 

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BigHurt50 said:
Well I'm luckily not going to have to contact my VSO. When I resubmitted with my Evetrec along with decorations and orders. They accepted this as my location for GW presumptive.

I want to thank you all for this forum. It has helped me to get a better understanding of this system along with fine examples to utilize for my case.

Again Thank You,
Colin
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Congrats, Colin! You're the second person today that I was involved in helping who got 70% for CRSC, and, coincidentally, both were reconsiderations. People lose sight that it comes down to the supporting documentation, not the statements that make the claim. Kudos for keeping yourself in the fight!
 
BigHurt50 said:
Well I'm luckily not going to have to contact my VSO. When I resubmitted with my Evetrec along with decorations and orders. They accepted this as my location for GW presumptive.

I want to thank you all for this forum. It has helped me to get a better understanding of this system along with fine examples to utilize for my case.

Again Thank You,
Colin
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I have a similar situation. They approved two items, but not my PTSD and MDD which was diagnosed combat-related, and is om my DA 199. I am going to resubmit. I have awards from the combat zones and NCOERs. What else should I submit to prove? Thank you.
 
Krypto03 said:
I have a similar situation. They approved two items, but not my PTSD and MDD which was diagnosed combat-related, and is om my DA 199. I am going to resubmit. I have awards from the combat zones and NCOERs. What else should I submit to prove? Thank you.
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The Army's CRSC page has a list of recommended items to provide in support of one's application.

Army CRSC Page LINK <—-

Ron
 
RonG said:
The Army's CRSC page has a list of recommended items to provide in support of one's application.

Army CRSC Page LINK <—-

Ron
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@RonG Actually reading that page now. Just thought the DA 199 being combat related was good enough. Will submit awards and such stating the same for combat related. Do you know how to find out if the VA coded the PTSD/MDD as combat related? I have my C&P exams that say combat related as well. Thank you
 
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@RonG Actually reading that page now. Just thought the DA 199 being combat related was good enough. Will submit awards and such stating the same for combat related. Do you know how to find out if the VA coded the PTSD/MDD as combat related? I have my C&P exams that say combat related as well. Thank you
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No, sorry. I am primarily a bean counter and collector of information.

There are several others on this board who likely can help you and possibly answer your questions.

Ron
 
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@RonG Actually reading that page now. Just thought the DA 199 being combat related was good enough. Will submit awards and such stating the same for combat related. Do you know how to find out if the VA coded the PTSD/MDD as combat related? I have my C&P exams that say combat related as well. Thank you
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Sadly, DoD and VA determinations use a different set of laws to determine "combat-related" vs what CRSC does (regardless of service branch). So, that list that Ron referred to is important.
 
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