Request Help With CRSC Possible Estimate

[rkal7]

Hello to everyone and I extend my gratitude for any help and insight offered!

Was hoping someone like Ron G could chime in with a possible estimated CRSC and also answer a few additional questions. I do have an idea of how the formula's work from prior threads but would like to verify the possible amounts to see if it's worth even applying for. The following numbers are attached for reference.


1. High three: DFAS MyPay RAS - $2012.00
2. DoD disability retirement percentage: DoD 40%
3. Years and months of active duty: 6 years, 1 months, 7 days
4. VA compensation: 100% / $3,823.89 / Married with no dependents
5. Expected combat related disability percentage: Hoping for 100%
6. Do you qualify for another type retirement besides CH 61 disability: No, I only qualify for CH61.


I would also like to ask if anyone knows or has experience when applying for CRSC if it will trigger another VA re-examination even if you are already considered P&T. And if I were to be CRSC rated below 100% is there a percentage where it makes no sense even applying for it with the provided info/numbers?

Thanks in advance for all input...Rick

 

[Provis]

Hello to everyone and I extend my gratitude for any help and insight offered!

Was hoping someone like Ron G could chime in with a possible estimated CRSC and also answer a few additional questions. I do have an idea of how the formula's work from prior threads but would like to verify the possible amounts to see if it's worth even applying for. The following numbers are attached for reference.


1. High three: DFAS MyPay RAS - $2012.00
2. DoD disability retirement percentage: DoD 40%
3. Years and months of active duty: 6 years, 1 months, 7 days
4. VA compensation: 100% / $3,823.89 / Married with no dependents
5. Expected combat related disability percentage: Hoping for 100%
6. Do you qualify for another type retirement besides CH 61 disability: No, I only qualify for CH61.


I would also like to ask if anyone knows or has experience when applying for CRSC if it will trigger another VA re-examination even if you are already considered P&T. And if I were to be CRSC rated below 100% is there a percentage where it makes no sense even applying for it with the provided info/numbers?

Thanks in advance for all input...Rick

CRSC doesn't talk to or have anything to do with your VA ratings in that way as to trigger an exam. They will require VA award letters since they use the VA ratings to mirror the CRSC ratings for the conditions that qualify. @RonG can help with the calculations. Also, what retirement percentage for longevity purposes? Were you at 2.5% or on the Blended one that is 2%. This is needed to calculate the longevity of your earned guard/reserve retirement before you were retired via chapter 61.

 

[RonG]

Hello to everyone and I extend my gratitude for any help and insight offered!

Was hoping someone like Ron G could chime in with a possible estimated CRSC and also answer a few additional questions. I do have an idea of how the formula's work from prior threads but would like to verify the possible amounts to see if it's worth even applying for. The following numbers are attached for reference.


1. High three: DFAS MyPay RAS - $2012.00
2. DoD disability retirement percentage: DoD 40%
3. Years and months of active duty: 6 years, 1 months, 7 days
4. VA compensation: 100% / $3,823.89 / Married with no dependents
5. Expected combat related disability percentage: Hoping for 100%
6. Do you qualify for another type retirement besides CH 61 disability: No, I only qualify for CH61.

Hello @rkal7

Estimate based on the info you provided.

a. Gross pay on RAS 2012/40% = 5030 high three
b. 6.083 AD x 2.5% = 15.21% longevity multiplier (note: 2% is used instead of 2.5% for the blended retirement program)
c. 5030 x 15.21% = 765.06 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC ceiling

Based on the info you provided, your CRSC will be 765.06 unless the CRSC percentage approved by your service is converts to an amount LESS than 765.06

Ron

edited to add: It appears you might have reserve time. If so, the active duty equivalent is needed. The computation for the longevity multiplier would be
Active duty equivalent x 2.5% (or 2% as mentioned above) = longevity multiplier. On Army orders: 3/4 down on first page is DISABILITY RETIREMENT (years/months/days) which is the active duty equivalent. I also noticed you might have 20 good years for a reserve retirement and possibly CRDP which would not exceed the amount previously computed. Age 60 is generally required for reserve retirement, but there are exceptions.

 

[rkal7]

CRSC doesn't talk to or have anything to do with your VA ratings in that way as to trigger an exam. They will require VA award letters since they use the VA ratings to mirror the CRSC ratings for the conditions that qualify. @RonG can help with the calculations. Also, what retirement percentage for longevity purposes? Were you at 2.5% or on the Blended one that is 2%. This is needed to calculate the longevity of your earned guard/reserve retirement before you were retired via chapter 61.

Thank you for the info Provis. I was a bit worried that even though I am P&T it would trigger a re-examination. I am unfortunately in one of the categories that the VA has now changed the VASRD rating qualifications. And after the long lengthy battle with the VA to get where I am I didn't want to risk any possibility to reopen my case. Even though the CRSC is a service related qualification for some reason i was under the impression that they communicate with the VA. I have never heard of this happening but wouldn't have been surprised from past VA experiences if that was the outcome. Thank you again for your insight.

 

[rkal7]

Hello @rkal7

Estimate based on the info you provided.

a. Gross pay on RAS 2012/40% = 5030 high three
b. 6.083 AD x 2.5% = 15.21% longevity multiplier (note: 2% is used instead of 2.5% for the blended retirement program)
c. 5030 x 15.21% = 765.06 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC ceiling

Based on the info you provided, your CRSC will be 765.06 unless the CRSC percentage approved by your service is converts to an amount LESS than 765.06

Ron

edited to add: It appears you might have reserve time. If so, the active duty equivalent is needed. The computation for the longevity multiplier would be
Active duty equivalent x 2.5% (or 2% as mentioned above) = longevity multiplier. On Army orders: 3/4 down on first page is DISABILITY RETIREMENT (years/months/days) which is the active duty equivalent. I also noticed you might have 20 good years for a reserve retirement and possibly CRDP which would not exceed the amount previously computed. Age 60 is generally required for reserve retirement, but there are exceptions.

Hi Ron,

Thank you for doing the calculations and for all the input. Do you know which orders I would be looking for as an AF guy? The PDF I attached in the first post has:

Service For Basic Pay 20 Years 04 Months 15 Days
Active Service For Retirement 06 Years 001 Months 07 Days
Service Per 10 USC 12733 09.29 (3347 Points)

If they were to rate CRSC at say 40% or 50% would you just simply take the 100% number you provided and x it by that percent?

Thanks again Ron, appreciate all your help.

 

[RonG]

Hi Ron,

Thank you for doing the calculations and for all the input. Do you know which orders I would be looking for as an AF guy? The PDF I attached in the first post has:

Service For Basic Pay 20 Years 04 Months 15 Days
Active Service For Retirement 06 Years 001 Months 07 Days
Service Per 10 USC 12733 09.29 (3347 Points)

If they were to rate CRSC at say 40% or 50% would you just simply take the 100% number you provided and x it by that percent?

Thanks again Ron, appreciate all your help.

Hello @rkal7

Ref: “If they were to rate CRSC at say 40% or 50% would you just simply take the 100% number you provided and x it by that percent?”

No, that is not the method used.

The approved CRSC percentage is determined by your service. The VA compensation tables are used to determine the amount for that percentage.

Example: Retiree has spouse and 1 child under 18 and his CRSC is approved at 40%.
The retiree could look at the VA compensation tables for that status (i.e.,“40% with spouse and 1 child “) and find the authorized amount.

One should keep in mind that CH61 disability retirees often do not receive the amount in the VA comp tables. If the longevity amount is less, that is the amount paid.

Ron
Edited to add:
I am not familiar with USAF orders.

10 U.S. Code 12733. Computation of retired pay: computation of years of service​

For the purpose of computing the retired pay of a person under this chapter, the person's years of service and any fraction of such a year are computed by dividing 360 into the sum of the following:

(1) The person's days of active service.

(2) The person's days of full-time service under sections 316, 502, 503, 504, and 505 of title 32 while performing annual training duty or while attending a prescribed course of instruction at a school designated as a service school by law or by the Secretary concerned.

(3) One day for each point credited to the person under clause (B), (C), or (D) of section 12732(a)(2) of this title, but not more than-

(A) 60 days in any one year of service before the year of service that includes September 23, 1996;

(B) 75 days in the year of service that includes September 23, 1996, and in any subsequent year of service before the year of service that includes October 30, 2000; and

(C) 90 days in the year of service that includes October 30, 2000, and in any subsequent year of service.


(4) One day for each point credited to the person under subparagraph (E) of section 12732(a)(2) of this title.

(5) 50 days for each year before July 1, 1949, and proportionately for each fraction of a year, of service (other than active service) in a reserve component of an armed force, in the Army or the Air Force without component, or in any other category covered by section 12732(a)(1) of this title, except a regular component.
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IF your active duty equivalent is 09.29, then 09.29 x 2.5% = 23.23% longevity multiplier
(note: 2% is used instead of 2.5% for the blended retirement program—you did not discuss this issue)
c. 5030 x 23.23% = 1168.47 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC ceiling
You would receive the lesser/lower amount of 1168.47 OR the CRSC percentage approved amount found in the VA comp tables.

 

[rkal7]

Thanks for the clarification Ron. It's hard to tell from the Ch61 special order NO. ACD-01072 which number they might use. Whether it will be the active service for retirement number of 6years 1month 7days or the service per 10 USC 12733 number of 09.29 years (3347 points). I think it may be the latter. I would also assume that the CRSC percentage is based on the current VASRD code for the combat condition and not the VASRD when the condition was originally rated correct. My permanent rating was based on an old rating system by the VA and I am unfortunately one of the categories that the VA went and changed during the big VASRD change they did. Since they changed the qualifiers and it would now be much less and a bit harder to qualify. That is also why I asked if applying for the CRSC would trigger a re-examination from the VA even though I am P&T. I don't want to go through another years long battle and possibly receive a reduction if the CRSC amount wouldn't be worth the hassle. Thank you again for all your wisdom and help.