6 year limit of CRSC pay

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Disagree! The 6 year limit is because of the Barring Act. Thus why they limited to 6 years.

The barring Act, 6 years is what is limiting backpay for EVERYONE for CRSC. Soto overturned application of the barring Act for CRSC. So disagree. You are talking about the 6 year limit, that is because of the services using the Barring Act I correctly. Soto ruled on that, now we are waiting for that ruling to be applied.

I also disagree whoever said doesn’t apply. Yes there is a class action limiting pay. Related. And if your claim was decided before Barring and you exceed $10k in backpay. You posted complaining about the 6 year backpay.

Good luck.
It doesn't apply, so take a step back and NO it's NOT everyone! There's TWO exceptions for getting MORE than SIX years of retro pay: Correction of Military Records and a former denial that's subsequently approved. So, please, just effing STOP!
 
It doesn't apply, so take a step back and NO it's NOT everyone! There's TWO exceptions for getting MORE than SIX years of retro pay: Correction of Military Records and a former denial that's subsequently approved. So, please, just effing STOP!
I am sorry that this got into such a heated discussion. You have been correct from the get-go. We'll ask for a DFAS audit, but first I am going to ask Senator Ted Cruz to step in like he did for my husband's correction of military records when they miscalculated his retro pay. As for the people who are less knowledgeable than you and Retired Attorney - well, they really should look at the answers from people in the know! Thanks for taking the time to step in - again!
 
There are exceptions to every rule and my husband is one of them. As Retired Attorney said:

"Although not referenced in the text of either 10 U.S.C. § 1413a or the CRSC provisions of DoD 7000.14-R, a claim for a CRSC payment is subject to the six-year statute of limitations of the Baring Act, 31 U.S.C. § 3702. See Soto v. United States, 92 F.4th 1094 (Fed. Cir. 2024). Accordingly, the government is limited to paying CRSC for the period within six years after the claim accrues. In the CRSC context, claim accrual is the date upon which the veteran became eligible for CRSC, even if the veteran failed to submit a claim.

One exception to the time of claim accrual triggering the six-year limitations period involves a correction of records. If a veteran becomes eligible for CRSC due to a correction of the veteran’s military or naval records (through a lawsuit or correction board action), then the veteran’s claim for the CRSC payment accrues on the date of the record correction. See DoD 7000.14-R, Financial Management Regulation, Vol. 7B, Ch. 10, ¶ 2.3 (June 2024) (“2.3 Statute of Limitations. If a payment is due as a result of a correction of record, the claim for such payment accrues on the date of the correction. A claimant has 6 years from the date of the correction of record to claim the payment owed as a result of the correction of record.”). As a result, the calculation of the amount of any retroactive CRSC payment due would be based on the corrected date of CRSC eligibility resulting from the record correction action (typically the corrected, retroactive date of disability retirement) and would not be subject to the six-year statute of limitations except going forward from the date the court or correction board ordered the correction of record.'

Retired Attorney's argument was right on point and further fortified by the court's conclusion in the Soto case. I believe that Retired Colonel Mike T pointed out on another forum that there are exceptions to the rule. I am putting my faith in my research and their arguments and will pursue a DFAS audit.
Best of luck. The 6 year limit due to the misapplication of the barring act is pretty much over regardless. So good luck.
 
It doesn't apply, so take a step back and NO it's NOT everyone! There's TWO exceptions for getting MORE than SIX years of retro pay: Correction of Military Records and a former denial that's subsequently approved. So, please, just effing STOP!
Oh Calm down. Let’s keep it civil, all around.
Caps lock is on by the way.

The 6 year limit was not legal to begin with as we all just found out with the unanimous ruling by the 9 justices on the highest court. Irregardless of these exceptions, that should have never been made up, as well never should have been a made up 6 year back pay limit, as the Supreme Court just affirmed.

Looking forward to posters future contributions helping others as they were helped.
 
I am sorry that this got into such a heated discussion. You have been correct from the get-go. We'll ask for a DFAS audit, but first I am going to ask Senator Ted Cruz to step in like he did for my husband's correction of military records when they miscalculated his retro pay. As for the people who are less knowledgeable than you and Retired Attorney - well, they really should look at the answers from people in the know! Thanks for taking the time to step in - again!
RetiredColonel-MikeT: I will keep you updated on the latest developments, so that you can share this with other veterans who were not served justly. And scottymotech- no one is upset here except when the facts are misrepresented. My husband deserves 17 years of retro pay. Period.
 
RetiredColonel-MikeT: I will keep you updated on the latest developments, so that you can share this with other veterans who were not served justly. And scottymotech- no one is upset here except when the facts are misrepresented. My husband deserves 17 years of retro pay. Period.
Well no one is misrepresenting much of anything. There should never been a made 6 year back pay limit or made up exemptions, as the Supreme Court just affirmed. If he’s entitled sure eventually will get what is owed.

Thrilled at the prospect of you paying it forward just as folks like myself have for over a decade here.
 
I am sorry that this got into such a heated discussion. You have been correct from the get-go. We'll ask for a DFAS audit, but first I am going to ask Senator Ted Cruz to step in like he did for my husband's correction of military records when they miscalculated his retro pay. As for the people who are less knowledgeable than you and Retired Attorney - well, they really should look at the answers from people in the know! Thanks for taking the time to step in - again!
I meant to respond to you before I dropped my comment, but had to go out of state. I was going to suggest that you reach out to Sen Cruz's office again and sidestep the lunkheads at DFAS.
 
From being in a similar situation with the retro retirement, what percentage did the military grant your husband for CRSC? I have yet to see any back payment, but I do get my CRSC pay. Mine was within a dollar when I did the old fashion calculation with a spreadsheet, and the new CRSC calculator was also within a dollar.
I basically had to have 60% or greater with the CRSC in order to max it out.
 
Just to follow up to my previous post, DFAS just paid my CRSC back to 2009 which is the retirement date from my ABCMR. COL Mike T was correct.
Color me shocked that DFAS would actually do that based on "made-up exceptions". Made up or not, the fact of the matter is that the RIGHT thing was to pay back to the retirement date, Barring Rule not withstanding. Until the lower courts figure things out and forces DFAS to start paying people as they should (Soto v US and Casey v US), the Barring Rule is still in effect until it's actually removed, which hasn't been done yet, there are exceptions that should still be in place until everything get sorted out.
 
I just got off the phone with them and they can’t see any payment yet, so their systems haven’t updated yet. They said the person who worked on my packet will email me.
 
in my experience, i was limited to the 6 years, even though i had a correction of records, dfas wouldnt budge, should have went back 12 years.
 
I just got off the phone with them and they can’t see any payment yet, so their systems haven’t updated yet. They said the person who worked on my packet will email me.
Well I would give them some time. The VA has problems with frequent callers, who they do flag, wouldn’t be surprised if DFAS had similar mechanics. Even if informal call notes. I think their posted guidance is about 90 days for backpay. That’s what they told me last week.
Yeah keep your eye on the ball, but give them some time. If 90 days has passed since the date of your most recent decision. Then absolutely reach out.

If they, DFAS continue to foot drag after 90 days, whelp one of your 3 congressional representatives may be able to help. I would go with whoever is a veteran if one of them is and go from there there.
 
I’ve given them space during this for sure. My bigger question right now is the remainder of my old severance pay that I received and whether or not they’ve taken that out of the retro pay before they sent the money to my account. One would think they have, and I was briefed they would be doing it.
 
in my experience, i was limited to the 6 years, even though i had a correction of records, dfas wouldnt budge, should have went back 12 years.
I would have reached out to my Congressional membership and pursue it that way, you're the only one I've come across that DFAS didn't pay following a records correction.
 
Based on your factual recitation, it would appear that because your husband's eligibility for CRSC resulted from a record correction in 2023, he would be eligible for retroactive CRSC payments back to January 1, 2008. I recently had a client whose records were corrected by the Army Board for Correction of Military Records due to an order from the US Court of Federal Claims entered in 2023, retroactively placing him on the permanent disability retired list effective August 1, 2013. The client applied for CRSC based on that retroactive disability retirement. Once his claim was approved by Army HRC, DFAS paid CRSC retroactively back to 2013, subject to the CRSC cap.

As a general rule, veterans eligible for military disability retired pay pursuant to Chapter 61, U.S. Code with less than 20 years of active service, became eligible for CRSC effective January 1, 2008, assuming the veteran met the combat-related and VA rating requirements. See 10 U.S.C. § 1413a (the statutory authorization for CRSC); DoD 7000.14-R, Financial Management Regulation, Vol. 7B, Ch. 63 (June 2024) (the DoD regulation implementing the statutory authority).

Although not referenced in the text of either 10 U.S.C. § 1413a or the CRSC provisions of DoD 7000.14-R, a claim for a CRSC payment is subject to the six-year statute of limitations of the Baring Act, 31 U.S.C. § 3702. See Soto v. United States, 92 F.4th 1094 (Fed. Cir. 2024). Accordingly, the government is limited to paying CRSC for the period within six years after the claim accrues. In the CRSC context, claim accrual is the date upon which the veteran became eligible for CRSC, even if the veteran failed to submit a claim.

One exception to the time of claim accrual triggering the six-year limitations period involves a correction of records. If a veteran becomes eligible for CRSC due to a correction of the veteran’s military or naval records (through a lawsuit or correction board action), then the veteran’s claim for the CRSC payment accrues on the date of the record correction. See DoD 7000.14-R, Financial Management Regulation, Vol. 7B, Ch. 10, ¶ 2.3 (June 2024) (“2.3 Statute of Limitations. If a payment is due as a result of a correction of record, the claim for such payment accrues on the date of the correction. A claimant has 6 years from the date of the correction of record to claim the payment owed as a result of the correction of record.”). As a result, the calculation of the amount of any retroactive CRSC payment due would be based on the corrected date of CRSC eligibility resulting from the record correction action (typically the corrected, retroactive date of disability retirement) and would not be subject to the six-year statute of limitations except going forward from the date the court or correction board ordered the correction of record.

If you did not make the factual background regarding the correction of records clear in the CRSC application, you should supplement it to ensure that the service CRSC personnel and DFAS understand the reason for the retroactive effective date of the retirement, including copies of the court's decision, any implementing correction board record of proceeding, and a copy of DoD 7000.14-R, Financial Management Regulation, Vol. 7B, Ch. 10, ¶ 2.3. Otherwise, they may simply apply the six year statute of limitations without much thought.
We contacted Senator Cruz yesterday, well his office. Less than 24 hours later, we have sent them all of the relevant documents and they have sent them to DFAS for an audit. I don't think they'd do all of this if they didn't believe the original DFAS award was incorrect. Last time Sen. Cruz helped, we had money in the bank in 3 weeks. Hoping for the same speed here. I'll update you when I know more.
 
It doesn't apply, so take a step back and NO it's NOT everyone! There's TWO exceptions for getting MORE than SIX years of retro pay: Correction of Military Records and a former denial that's subsequently approved. So, please, just effing STOP!
We contacted the office of Senator Cruz yesterday. LESS THAN 24 HOURS later, we have given them all the relevant records and they have sent them to DFAS for an audit. I don't think they'd do all of that if they thought my husband deserved only 6 years of retro pay. Fingers crossed! I'll update you when I know more. Last time, it only took 3 weeks to settle.
 
Well no one is misrepresenting much of anything. There should never been a made 6 year back pay limit or made up exemptions, as the Supreme Court just affirmed. If he’s entitled sure eventually will get what is owed.

Thrilled at the prospect of you paying it forward just as folks like myself have for over a decade here.
I'm not sure why you are on a forum like this with your offensive attitude. Other people are on here to help, no to hurt. We contacted the office of Senator Ted Cruz yesterday and LESS THAN 24 HOURS later, today, we have sent them all of the relevant documents and they have sent them all to DFAS for an audit. I doubt they would go to all of that trouble if they did not agree that there are exceptions to the rule and my husband deserves 17 years rather than 6. But no, he would not eventually get anything more without a fight. And just so you know, my husband paid it forward for 18 years and is now 100% disabled and also has a fatal AO-related disease. It's hard to "pay forward" much better than that. And you know what else? He would do it again in a heartbeat. He'd also be happy that his fellow veterans are getting the benefits they earned with their blood, sweat & tears.
 
I'm not sure why you are on a forum like this with your offensive attitude. Other people are on here to help, no to hurt. We contacted the office of Senator Ted Cruz yesterday and LESS THAN 24 HOURS later, today, we have sent them all of the relevant documents and they have sent them all to DFAS for an audit. I doubt they would go to all of that trouble if they did not agree that there are exceptions to the rule and my husband deserves 17 years rather than 6. But no, he would not eventually get anything more without a fight. And just so you know, my husband paid it forward for 18 years and is now 100% disabled and also has a fatal AO-related disease. It's hard to "pay forward" much better than that. And you know what else? He would do it again in a heartbeat. He'd also be happy that his fellow veterans are getting the benefits they earned with their blood, sweat & tears.
Actually been here a long time and I have sought and offered help, not just sought it.
Good luck with the back pay pursuit and looking forward to YOUR replies offering help and advice to others as you have sought. Good luck.
 
We contacted Senator Cruz yesterday, well his office. Less than 24 hours later, we have sent them all of the relevant documents and they have sent them to DFAS for an audit. I don't think they'd do all of this if they didn't believe the original DFAS award was incorrect. Last time Sen. Cruz helped, we had money in the bank in 3 weeks. Hoping for the same speed here. I'll update you when I know more.
Well of course they got it wrong, so we'll have to keep fighting. Today my husband received about 15k in back pay which does not conform to any known acceptable calculations. It's not even 6 years, much less the 17 they owe him. Originally they gave him zero back pay, but about $350 a month for his 20%. We have now gotten that $350 for 3 months in a row so I guess he'll continue to get that for the rest of his life. So the congressional inquiry will have to continue. The last time DFAS tried to give him 20k less than was owed for his correction of military records, we were able to get all of the paperwork and discuss it with the DFAS auditor. I will get back the Sen. Cruz's office and see if we can do the same thing. Can you think of any reason they would come up with such an odd number?
 
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