CRSC Backpay

dallasfan402 said:
Hey Ron quick question. I was told in a CRSC group on FB that if your CRSC was approved based on presumptive illnesses on the pact act that they will only back pay you until August 2022 when that pact act got approved. Have you heard anything about this? Both of my conditions were presumptive illnesses on the pact act and I think I got approved for CRSC because of that. But on MYPAY it shows my CRSC start date on July 2018 which is when I got awarded through the VA. So I'm not sure if I'll get back pay from July 2018 or when the pact act got approved in august 2022. Any clarification would be greatly appreciated.
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I'm curious what your outcome was for this? I am similar. I have recently approved for CRSC. I haven't yet started getting paid and I don't know if I'll get any back pay. And if I do if they will back pay to when the PACT Act went into affect or when the VA rated me for the conditions. Both the conditions I was approved for CRSC for are presumptive illnesses and both had prior VA ratings which are now PACT Act connected. I was medically retired for one that is in itself 80% with both the Air Force and the VA. And I was retired in 2014 for that one condition which is now a presumptive illness. Another condition I wasn't retired for but was part of my initial 2014 VA claim ratings and was later increased by the VA re-evaluating it in 2019. That condition actually increased from 30 to 50% and made me go from 90% with the VA to 100%P&T.

I just have no clue what date they will base any back pay on. The Pact Act law date? The date I got approved for CRSC? or the dates the VA originally gave me ratings (obviously with the furthest they can go back being 6 years from my understanding).

@RonG maybe you'd have some insight into this? I also am trying to understand or figure out what my CRSC amount would/should be. From what I read and using the calculations you did on other posts I'm thinking $2366.91. I'll put my info below if you'd let me know if I'm right/wrong.

My Info:
Years AD/Served: 13 Years 8 mo....so close to that 14 (all AD)
Medically retired TSgt
100 percent VA
90 percent DOD
90 Percent CRSC
Retired pay before VA waiver: 3250.00
VA pay : 4009.96
Veteran and 1 child dependent


CRSC
Claim received by branch: 5Mar2024
CRSC Approval letter: 3/18/2024
Total Combat Related Disability: 90%
One Condtion 50%: Effective 4/1/2018
One Condtion 90%: Effective 6/1/2019

Thanks for any input!
 
Hello @JMoore81

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I'm curious what your outcome was for this? I am similar. I have recently approved for CRSC. I haven't yet started getting paid and I don't know if I'll get any back pay. And if I do if they will back pay to when the PACT Act went into affect or when the VA rated me for the conditions. Both the conditions I was approved for CRSC for are presumptive illnesses and both had prior VA ratings which are now PACT Act connected. I was medically retired for one that is in itself 80% with both the Air Force and the VA. And I was retired in 2014 for that one condition which is now a presumptive illness. Another condition I wasn't retired for but was part of my initial 2014 VA claim ratings and was later increased by the VA re-evaluating it in 2019. That condition actually increased from 30 to 50% and made me go from 90% with the VA to 100%P&T.

I just have no clue what date they will base any back pay on. The Pact Act law date? The date I got approved for CRSC? or the dates the VA originally gave me ratings (obviously with the furthest they can go back being 6 years from my understanding).

@RonG maybe you'd have some insight into this? I also am trying to understand or figure out what my CRSC amount would/should be. From what I read and using the calculations you did on other posts I'm thinking $2366.91. I'll put my info below if you'd let me know if I'm right/wrong.

My Info:
Years AD/Served: 13 Years 8 mo....so close to that 14 (all AD)
Medically retired TSgt
100 percent VA
90 percent DOD
90 Percent CRSC
Retired pay before VA waiver: 3250.00
VA pay : 4009.96
Veteran and 1 child dependent


CRSC
Claim received by branch: 5Mar2024
CRSC Approval letter: 3/18/2024
Total Combat Related Disability: 90%
One Condtion 50%: Effective 4/1/2018
One Condtion 90%: Effective 6/1/2019
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REPLY/COMMENTS:

If your CRSC is based on the PACT Act, your RETRO will be no earlier than the effective date of the ACT or the effective date shown in your CRSC approval letter from your branch.

Sorry, I do not compute retroactive CRSC.

For your contemporary CRSC amount:

1. Divide the gross (unreduced) amount on your most recent DFAS RAS (possibly for 1-31 Dec 2023) by the DoD disability percentage = contemporary average high three base pay
2. Use the active duty equivalent shown on your retirement orders shown as DISABILITY RETIREMENT on first page, times 2.5% (or 2% for blended retirement) = longevity multiplier
3. Multiply the contemporary average high three base pay (item one) by the longevity multiplier (item 2) = estimate of longevity portion of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling.

Your current CRSC will be the lower/lessor amount of:
—the formula shown immediately above
OR
—the amount in the VA compensation tables for the appproved CRSC percentage. Number and category of dependents are also used.

Ron
 
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I think they go based off of the date of the disability from the VA and retirement date. (The later of the two) so if you were retired in 2014, and your disability was founded by the VA in 2018 & 2019 then those are the dates they will use. It would default to August 2022 (PACT ACT date) if you used presumptive when you filed in the VA, but seeing as you already had them rated, they will back pay to the disability date (2018 & 2019, but only 6 years of back pay max).


CRSC
Claim received by branch: 5Mar2024
CRSC Approval letter: 3/18/2024
Total Combat Related Disability: 90%
One Condtion 50%: Effective 4/1/2018
One Condtion 90%: Effective 6/1/2019
And I am assuming this information is based off your CRSC letter, which shows that they are using 2018 & 2019 as your effective dates soo I am very confident that you can expect back pay of about 6 years!

Congratulations on your approval!
 
Anyday said:
I think they go based off of the date of the disability from the VA and retirement date. (The later of the two) so if you were retired in 2014, and your disability was founded by the VA in 2018 & 2019 then those are the dates they will use. It would default to August 2022 (PACT ACT date) if you used presumptive when you filed in the VA, but seeing as you already had them rated, they will back pay to the disability date (2018 & 2019, but only 6 years of back pay max).


CRSC
Claim received by branch: 5Mar2024
CRSC Approval letter: 3/18/2024
Total Combat Related Disability: 90%
One Condtion 50%: Effective 4/1/2018
One Condtion 90%: Effective 6/1/2019
And I am assuming this information is based off your CRSC letter, which shows that they are using 2018 & 2019 as your effective dates soo I am very confident that you can expect back pay of about 6 years!

Congratulations on your approval!
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Okay, yea that makes sense. I did get the dates off my CRSC approval letter. Both the conditions had VA ratings before the PACT Act you are correct. I just had them connected to PACT Act list so that I could make sure I could file for CRSC. I was already at 100 P&T with VA before I filed for them to connect them as presumptive conditions and before I filed my CRSC. But when I applied for CRSC I used the reasoning that both conditions are recognized to be due to gulf war exposure, etc. So I just wasn't sure what they would use. I didn't get any increases from the VA for them either. Those ratings are the same as when thy were last changed by the VA when I became P&T.
 
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This is what it would look like if it was going off PACT ACT presumptive dates. And I think the date that shows here is when CRSC begins paying.
 
RonG said:
Hello @JMoore81

Reference:
I'm curious what your outcome was for this? I am similar. I have recently approved for CRSC. I haven't yet started getting paid and I don't know if I'll get any back pay. And if I do if they will back pay to when the PACT Act went into affect or when the VA rated me for the conditions. Both the conditions I was approved for CRSC for are presumptive illnesses and both had prior VA ratings which are now PACT Act connected. I was medically retired for one that is in itself 80% with both the Air Force and the VA. And I was retired in 2014 for that one condition which is now a presumptive illness. Another condition I wasn't retired for but was part of my initial 2014 VA claim ratings and was later increased by the VA re-evaluating it in 2019. That condition actually increased from 30 to 50% and made me go from 90% with the VA to 100%P&T.

I just have no clue what date they will base any back pay on. The Pact Act law date? The date I got approved for CRSC? or the dates the VA originally gave me ratings (obviously with the furthest they can go back being 6 years from my understanding).

@RonG maybe you'd have some insight into this? I also am trying to understand or figure out what my CRSC amount would/should be. From what I read and using the calculations you did on other posts I'm thinking $2366.91. I'll put my info below if you'd let me know if I'm right/wrong.

My Info:
Years AD/Served: 13 Years 8 mo....so close to that 14 (all AD)
Medically retired TSgt
100 percent VA
90 percent DOD
90 Percent CRSC
Retired pay before VA waiver: 3250.00
VA pay : 4009.96
Veteran and 1 child dependent


CRSC
Claim received by branch: 5Mar2024
CRSC Approval letter: 3/18/2024
Total Combat Related Disability: 90%
One Condtion 50%: Effective 4/1/2018
One Condtion 90%: Effective 6/1/2019
======

REPLY/COMMENTS:

If your CRSC is based on the PACT Act, your RETRO will be no earlier than the effective date of the ACT or the effective date shown in your CRSC approval letter from your branch.

Sorry, I do not compute retroactive CRSC.

For your contemporary CRSC amount:

1. Divide the gross (unreduced) amount on your most recent DFAS RAS (possibly for 1-31 Dec 2023) by the DoD disability percentage = contemporary average high three base pay
2. Use the active duty equivalent shown on your retirement orders shown as DISABILITY RETIREMENT on first page, times 2.5% (or 2% for blended retirement) = longevity multiplier
3. Multiply the contemporary average high three base pay (item one) by the longevity multiplier (item 2) = estimate of longevity portion of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling.

Your current CRSC will be the lower/lessor amount of:
—the formula shown immediately above
OR
—the amount in the VA compensation tables for the appproved CRSC percentage. Number and category of dependents are also used.

Ron
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Anyday said:
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But my other conditions go back to pretty much my retirement date (when the VA rated them) so CRSC will back pay to these dates
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Okay. Then it looks like mine will be based off those 2018/2018 dates vs. the Pact Act date. I used GW as my code when applying but my CRSC letter doesn't list them as presumptive so that makes sense. They actually added one condition to my CRSC that I didn't put in my application. But it is on the presumptive list so that's kind of weird they did that but I do see it say Sept 22 for it's effective date so that one is def PACT Act date. It's currently just a 0% SC condition so I didn't bother including it when I applied yet they added it on?!?
 
Yeah i think they will go off the 2018 & 2019 dates. And yesthey added one that I did not even put on to mine too. Which was also rated at 0% SC so I do not know why. But I guess they do it so if it ever ends up with a higher rating then you know it qualifies? Haha I do not know. I did not even mention one of the conditions and yet it got added. But then denied my tinnitus which had AMPLE evidence lol just career field alone. But then also being in multiple blasts and getting a TBI, but I stopped trying for it lol.
 
Anyday said:
Yeah i think they will go off the 2018 & 2019 dates. And yesthey added one that I did not even put on to mine too. Which was also rated at 0% SC so I do not know why. But I guess they do it so if it ever ends up with a higher rating then you know it qualifies? Haha I do not know. I did not even mention one of the conditions and yet it got added. But then denied my tinnitus which had AMPLE evidence lol just career field alone. But then also being in multiple blasts and getting a TBI, but I stopped trying for it lol.
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Some conditions get automatically added, such as conditions already deemed presumptive and things like tinnitus. The reason why they added the 0% is due to the fact that rating could increase at a later date and streamlines any reconsiderations for ratings updates. So, if your presumptive goes to 10%, all you would need to provide Army HRC is your rating's decision memo and CRSC Form 12e which you can find on HRC's CRSC page.
 
Anyday said:
Yeah i think they will go off the 2018 & 2019 dates. And yesthey added one that I did not even put on to mine too. Which was also rated at 0% SC so I do not know why. But I guess they do it so if it ever ends up with a higher rating then you know it qualifies? Haha I do not know. I did not even mention one of the conditions and yet it got added. But then denied my tinnitus which had AMPLE evidence lol just career field alone. But then also being in multiple blasts and getting a TBI, but I stopped trying for it lol.
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I would have added it but I felt like there wasn't any point as it is 0% SC at this time. I just figured if I ever had to have further treatment for it (I already went through quite a bit just getting diagnosed with it) I would then file for it on the CRSC side and assumed they'd go back to the PACT Act Date. I was just surprised they added it anyway. Which I mean saves them some headache in the future I guess. I did finally see they added a CRSC Pay Statement to my myPay. So that's nice to see.

I assume backpay will take some time to calculate because I've read they have to do an audit. I assume they look at the pay I would have received each year back to those dates had I been receiving CRSC and add that all up. But maybe I'm wrong on how they figure that. I assumed they don't just go off the amount I am making now? I assume that CRSC pay charts change just like our DOD/VA ones do with COLA adjustments but maybe I am wrong on all that too.

Well I should have tried to apply a long time ago for this but I just expected I'd get denied. I tried a few outlets for advice on applying and they always told me they either wouldn't take on my case at that time or that I had no chance of approval. So finally I decided after years that I was gonna do it myself. I never did cause I'd always just get frustrated and overwhelmed. Just reading my records was irritating and upsetting. Guess I am better now and was finally look at it all from a third party perspective.
 
Hello,

Ref: “assume backpay will take some time to calculate because I've read they have to do an audit. I assume they look at the pay I would have received each year back to those dates had I been receiving CRSC and add that all up. But maybe I'm wrong on how they figure that. I assumed they don't just go off the amount I am making now? I assume that CRSC pay charts change just like our DOD/VA ones do with COLA adjustments but maybe I am wrong on all that too.”

DFAS uses computer programs to compute CRSC, including retro pay. The wait is largely predicated on how many cases are in front of yours.

CRSC does change with COLA increases since the COLA increase effects the rates of the DoD and VA.

Ron
 
JMoore81 said:
I would have added it but I felt like there wasn't any point as it is 0% SC at this time. I just figured if I ever had to have further treatment for it (I already went through quite a bit just getting diagnosed with it) I would then file for it on the CRSC side and assumed they'd go back to the PACT Act Date. I was just surprised they added it anyway. Which I mean saves them some headache in the future I guess. I did finally see they added a CRSC Pay Statement to my myPay. So that's nice to see.

I assume backpay will take some time to calculate because I've read they have to do an audit. I assume they look at the pay I would have received each year back to those dates had I been receiving CRSC and add that all up. But maybe I'm wrong on how they figure that. I assumed they don't just go off the amount I am making now? I assume that CRSC pay charts change just like our DOD/VA ones do with COLA adjustments but maybe I am wrong on all that too.

Well I should have tried to apply a long time ago for this but I just expected I'd get denied. I tried a few outlets for advice on applying and they always told me they either wouldn't take on my case at that time or that I had no chance of approval. So finally I decided after years that I was gonna do it myself. I never did cause I'd always just get frustrated and overwhelmed. Just reading my records was irritating and upsetting. Guess I am better now and was finally look at it all from a third party perspective.
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Actually, it would only go to the date that your rating increased to 10% or more since you're already at 0%. It still saves headache down the road as you just have to submit your new ratings decision memo and a reconsideration form, if you're Army, that would be CRSC Form 12e.
 
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