CRSC Calculation for Ch. 61 Retiree

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Ducktape

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Retired Chapter 61

1. DFAS RAS= 785

2. DOD Disability Retired= 30%

3. Years & Mons. AD= 9yrs & 8 Mon.

4. VA Comp. 100% 5317 w/spouse

5. Approved CRSC at 70%

6. No other type of retirement.

Note: I understand there is a limit to 6 yrs retroactive pay. Because Ch. 61 was enacted in 2008 will my COLA be counted back to 1993? Hope I’m making my self clear. Basically is my DFAS RAS of 785 be used in calculating my CRSC? I hope I’m posting in the correct place.
Thank you in advance.
 
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Ducktape said:
Retired Chapter 61
1. DFAS RAS= 785
2. DOD Disability Retired= 30%
3. Years & Mons. AD= 9yrs & 8 Mon.
4. VA Comp. 100% 5317 w/spouse
5. Approved CRSC at 70%
6. No other type of retirement.
Note: I understand there is a limit to 6 yrs retroactive pay. Because Ch. 61 was enacted in 2008 will my COLA be counted back to 1993? Hope I’m making my self clear. Basically is my DFAS RAS of 785 be used in calculating my CRSC? I hope I’m posting in the correct place.
Thank you in advance.
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Hello @Ducktape

New computation, 0900 hrs, 22 March 2022

1. You mentioned, “I have called DFAS and asked what my current retirement amount is that I waive to receive VA compensation. She said 785. So that’s where that figure came from.” And…” My correct years and months of service is 9 yrs and 9 months” Yesterday, you mentioned your DoD percentage was 30%.

2. 9 years and 9 months is 9.75 years. 9.75 years x 2.5% per year is the longevity multiplier with is: 24.375%

3. Since your longevity multiplier is 24.375% and your DoD multiplier is 30%, your retired pay would be 30% X average high three base pay. (Please note that FINAL PAY would be used if your entry in the service was before September 8, 1980)

4. DFAS told you that your waived retired pay is: 785, that amount, 785 is 30% of an unknown number. 785/30% = 2616.66 average high three base pay

5. The longevity portion of your retired pay will be your CRSC. 2616.66 high three base pay x 24.375% = 637.81 longevity amount and CRSC ceiling in your case

6. The amount of CRSC at item e would be current CRSC based on information provided.
  • You provided the following today: “CRSC effective date is 12/16 I have only received one CRSC Approval letter. My retirement date was 01/28/1993
  • COLA Increases
  • 5.9 percent. 12/01/2021;
  • 1.3 PERCENT 12/01/2020;
  • 1.6 PERCENT 12/01/2019;
  • 2.8 percent 12/01/18;
  • 2.0 percent 12/01/2017;
  • 0.3 percent 12/01/2016

  • Rough estimate of retroactive CRSC based on available info:

  • 637.81 beginning 12/1/2021 x 4 = 2551.37
  • 12/01/2020 thru 11/30/21 = 600.18 x 12 = 7202.16
  • 12/01/2019 thru 11/30/20 = 592.38 x 12 =7108.56
  • 12/01/2018 thru 11/30/19 = 582.91 x 12 = 6994.92
  • 12/01/2017 thru 11/30/18 = 566.69 x 12 = 6800.28
  • 12/01/2016 thru 11/30/17 = 555.26 x 12 = 6663.12
  • TOTAL: 37,320.41
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Edited to add new computation 1 April 2022:
Vince,

I had some time this morning and decided to re-work your computation for CRSC using DFAS' $634 CRSC figure (which is $3 less than my computation which used information provided by you.

Please note that each year has to be computed separately and the unknown base amount for each period has to be determined by backing out (reducing) the known amount that includes COLA increase(s) not applicable to the period involved. In other words, the period prior to your current rate of CRSC must include 634 (current rate) divided by 1.059% to find the earlier rate that does not included the recent 5.9% increase.

Beginning with $634, the known rate for the period beginning 1 December 2021:

  • COLA Increases
  • 5.9 percent. 12/01/2021;
  • 1.3 PERCENT 12/01/2020;
  • 1.6 PERCENT 12/01/2019;
  • 2.8 percent 12/01/18;
  • 2.0 percent 12/01/2017;
  • 0.3 percent 12/01/2016
  • Zero percent 12/01/2015

  • Rough estimate of retroactive CRSC based on available info:

  • 634 beginning 12/1/2021: 634.00 x 4 = 2536
  • 12/01/2020 thru 11/30/21: 598.67 x 12 = 7184.04
  • 12/01/2019 thru 11/30/20 : 590.99 x 12 =7091.88
  • 12/01/2018 thru 11/30/19: 581.68 x 12 = 6980.16
  • 12/01/2017 thru 11/30/18: 565.84 x 12 = 6790.08
  • 12/01/2016 thru 11/30/17 = 554.75 x 12 = 6657.00
  • The rate beginning 12/01/2015 would be 553.09 monthly
  • TOTAL: $37,059.16 not including any retro from the period beginning 12/01/2015. The monthly rate for that period is $553.09
The computation above replaces earlier computations for this case.

Ron
 
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Hello Ron,

An update for you about my CRSC retroactive pay. My CRSC Approval letter said my CRSC Effective date was 12/16. I couldn’t figure out why it wasn’t back dated a full 6 years.
I finally was able to get on MyPay. It said my CRSC Start Date was Dec 01, 2015. I don’t know what the different dates were all about. But it appears they’ve got it right on my CRSC Pay Statement. Below are photo of both documents I referred to about. If you don’t mind could you give me an updated estimate for 6 years of retroactive pay. I couldn’t find our conversation we had after this . Maybe you can it has all mine information there. Thanks

Vince

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Hello @Ducktape

You received a CRSC statement that shows your CRSC is $634.00 Using the previous information you provided, I determined the following: 5. The longevity portion of your retired pay will be your CRSC. 2616.66 high three base pay x 24.375% = 637.81 longevity amount and CRSC ceiling in your case. I apologize, but I am not inclined to re-work the CRSC based on a $3 difference; I usually don't compute retro CRSC for multiple reasons.

Perhaps a moderator will offer to do it. Keep in mind, that the amounts we and others provide for CRSC are estimates, and often are imprecise due to the info provided. I used the data that was available to me.

The previous conversation was in this thread.

Previous info provided.
  • Rough estimate of retroactive CRSC based on available info:

  • 637.81 beginning 12/1/2021 x 4 = 2551.37
  • 12/01/2020 thru 11/30/21 = 600.18 x 12 = 7202.16
  • 12/01/2019 thru 11/30/20 = 592.38 x 12 =7108.56
  • 12/01/2018 thru 11/30/19 = 582.91 x 12 = 6994.92
  • 12/01/2017 thru 11/30/18 = 566.69 x 12 = 6800.28
  • 12/01/2016 thru 11/30/17 = 555.26 x 12 = 6663.12
  • TOTAL: 37,320.41

The COLA increase for military retirees on 1 December 2015 was zero percent.
My guess is that your CRSC for the 12-month period beginning 1 December 2015 based on the info available is similar to the amount for/starting December 1, 2016. I might have mentioned that I did not compute my own CRSC for retro periods years ago, except to take a representative amount and multiply it by the months involved. in your case, it appears you will receive ~$37,000 in retroactive CRSC or more.

I recommend that you do not use these figures to support an appeal to DFAS. Each year had to be computed separately and I was interrupted several times while doing the computations. As I mentioned before; it is a rough estimate.

Good luck,
Ron
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Edited to add, 1 April 2022:
Vince,

I had some time this morning and decided to re-work your computation for CRSC using DFAS' $634 CRSC figure (which is $3 less than my computation which used information provided by you.

Please note that each year has to be computed separately and the unknown base amount for each period has to be determined by backing out (reducing) the known amount that includes COLA increase(s) not applicable to the period involved. In other words, the period prior to your current rate of CRSC must include 634 (current rate) divided by 1.059 to find the earlier rate that does not included the recent 5.9% increase.

Beginning with $634, the known rate for the period beginning 1 December 2021:

  • COLA Increases
  • 5.9 percent. 12/01/2021;
  • 1.3 PERCENT 12/01/2020;
  • 1.6 PERCENT 12/01/2019;
  • 2.8 percent 12/01/18;
  • 2.0 percent 12/01/2017;
  • 0.3 percent 12/01/2016
  • Zero percent 12/01/2015

  • Rough estimate of retroactive CRSC based on available info:

  • 634 beginning 12/1/2021: 634.00 x 4 = 2536
  • 12/01/2020 thru 11/30/21: 598.67 x 12 = 7184.04
  • 12/01/2019 thru 11/30/20 : 590.99 x 12 =7091.88
  • 12/01/2018 thru 11/30/19: 581.68 x 12 = 6980.16
  • 12/01/2017 thru 11/30/18: 565.84 x 12 = 6790.08
  • 12/01/2016 thru 11/30/17 = 554.75 x 12 = 6657.00
  • The rate beginning 12/01/2015 would be 553.09 monthly
  • TOTAL: $37,059.16 not including any retro from the period beginning 12/01/2015. The monthly rate for that period is $553.09
The computation above replaces earlier computations for this case.

Ron
 
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Thank you Ron for all the help you provided me as well as so many others.
You had already computed for me 5 years and 4 months back pay. All I really needed to do is take the estimated 4 mons figure (2551) and use that to figure to estimate the rest of the 8 months to give a complete years. Which is 5102 and I added that to the other 5 years and 4 months you had already worked out for me (37,320). That gives me an estimation for the complete 6 years of 42,422. Ron thank you again.

Best Regards,

Vince
 
Ducktape said:
Thank you Ron for all the help you provided me as well as so many others.
You had already computed for me 5 years and 4 months back pay. All I really needed to do is take the estimated 4 mons figure (2551) and use that to figure to estimate the rest of the 8 months to give a complete years. Which is 5102 and I added that to the other 5 years and 4 months you had already worked out for me (37,320). That gives me an estimation for the complete 6 years of 42,422. Ron thank you again.

Best Regards,

Vince
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Hello @Ducktape

Thank you Vince.

Your computation is an example of why I usually do not compute retroactive CRSC. The "four month figure (2551)" that you used, included the COLA increases that occurred in the previous years of your case. In other words, your computation uses a 2022 amount for a period approximately six years ago. If it was that simple, I would have taken 637.81 (or DFAS' 634) and multiplied it by 72 months.

The four months I computed for the period beginning 1 December 2021, used the info you initially provided, and resulted in 637.81 as the monthly amount. DFAS' computation showed the base amount for that period as 634.

The eight months you might be missing would have been less than 600 per month. One cannot apply a current rate that includes previous COLA increases to a period several years earlier unless they back out of the COLA increases, year-by-year.

Back to the $37,000. That is a rough figure and not one that should be presented to DFAS.


Take care,
Ron
cc: @Provis @Jason Perry
 
Hello @Ducktape

Vince,

I had some time this morning and decided to re-work your computation for CRSC using DFAS' $634 CRSC figure (which is $3 less than my computation which used information provided by you.

Please note that each year has to be computed separately and the unknown base amount for each period has to be determined by backing out (reducing) the known amount that includes COLA increase(s) not applicable to the period involved. In other words, the period prior to your current rate of CRSC must include 634 (current rate) divided by 1.059% to find the earlier rate that does not included the recent 5.9% increase.

Beginning with $634, the known rate for the period beginning 1 December 2021:

  • COLA Increases
  • 5.9 percent. 12/01/2021;
  • 1.3 PERCENT 12/01/2020;
  • 1.6 PERCENT 12/01/2019;
  • 2.8 percent 12/01/18;
  • 2.0 percent 12/01/2017;
  • 0.3 percent 12/01/2016
  • Zero percent 12/01/2015

  • Rough estimate of retroactive CRSC based on available info:

  • 634 beginning 12/1/2021: 634.00 x 4 = 2536
  • 12/01/2020 thru 11/30/21: 598.67 x 12 = 7184.04
  • 12/01/2019 thru 11/30/20 : 590.99 x 12 =7091.88
  • 12/01/2018 thru 11/30/19: 581.68 x 12 = 6980.16
  • 12/01/2017 thru 11/30/18: 565.84 x 12 = 6790.08
  • 12/01/2016 thru 11/30/17 = 554.75 x 12 = 6657.00
  • The rate beginning 12/01/2015 would be 553.09 monthly
  • TOTAL: $37,059.16 not including any retro from the period beginning 12/01/2015. The monthly rate for that period is $553.09
The computation above replaces earlier computations for this case.

Ron
 
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