CRSC Calculation

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armyaviator

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Hey all,

Recently received my PEB results and figured I'd look at the CRSC. Wondering what this would be. Please let me know if something isn't making sense or I answered it wrong.

Thanks for everything you guys do here.


1. High 3: $7867

2. DoD disability retirement percentage. 70%

3. Total Service: Active for 15 years and 2.5 months upon retirement.

4. VA compensation: 100% w/spouse and 2 children, $3537, SMC-K at $111

5. I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 70% DOD and it is combat related (V1/V3)

6. No qualification for any other type of retirement.
 
Hello @armyaviator

Case.
1. High 3: $7867
2. DoD disability retirement percentage. 70%
3. Total Service: Active for 15 years and 2.5 months upon retirement.
4. VA compensation: 100% w/spouse and 2 children, $3537, SMC-K at $111
5. I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 70% DOD and it is combat related (V1/V3)
6. No qualification for any other type of retirement.

CRSC estimate.
a. 7867 x 70% = 5507
b. 5507 minus (3537 + 111) = 1859 residual retired pay
c. 15.166 AD years x 2.5% = 37.92% longevity multiplier
d. 7867 x 37.92% = 2983 longevity portion of retired pay
e. Guess 70% CRSC with spouse and 2C u/18 : (1,656.71 +61 +111 ) = 1828.71 Maximum CRSC based on percentage approved
f. CRSC plus residual retired pay cannot exceed 2983 longevity
g. 2983 longevity minus 1859 residual = 1124 amount that can be CRSC (see item e)
h. DFAS will pay each month based on the info you provided:
--1859 residual retired pay
--1124 CRSC
TOTAL = 2983

i. You will also receive your VA comp.

Ron
added: An approved CRSC percentage was not provided.
 
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Here are my numbers:

High 3: 6120
DoD Disability: 70%/CRSC Disability 50%
Total Service: 11 yrs. 6 mos.
VA Compensation With Wife and 2 kids under 18: 100%/3537
Disqual Conitions: Bilateral shoulders (40%), PTSD Combat Related (50%)
No qual for other retirement.

Please help me figure this voodoo out...appreciate it!
 
RonG said:
Hello @armyaviator

Case.
1. High 3: $7867
2. DoD disability retirement percentage. 70%
3. Total Service: Active for 15 years and 2.5 months upon retirement.
4. VA compensation: 100% w/spouse and 2 children, $3537, SMC-K at $111
5. I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 70% DOD and it is combat related (V1/V3)
6. No qualification for any other type of retirement.

CRSC estimate.
a. 7867 x 70% = 5507
b. 5507 minus (3537 + 111) = 1859 residual retired pay
c. 15.166 AD years x 2.5% = 37.92% longevity multiplier
d. 7867 x 37.92% = 2983 longevity portion of retired pay
e. Guess 70% CRSC with spouse and 2C u/18 : (1,656.71 +61 +111 ) = 1828.71 Maximum CRSC based on percentage approved
f. CRSC plus residual retired pay cannot exceed 2983 longevity
g. 2983 longevity minus 1859 residual = 1124 amount that can be CRSC (see item e)
h. DFAS will pay each month based on the info you provided:
--1859 residual retired pay
--1124 CRSC
TOTAL = 2983

i. You will also receive your VA comp.

Ron
added: An approved CRSC percentage was not provided.
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Thank you,I appreciate you taking the time to do that!
 
Ben Echmeyer said:
Here are my numbers:

High 3: 6120
DoD Disability: 70%/CRSC Disability 50%
Total Service: 11 yrs. 6 mos.
VA Compensation With Wife and 2 kids under 18: 100%/3537
Disqual Conitions: Bilateral shoulders (40%), PTSD Combat Related (50%)
No qual for other retirement.

Please help me figure this voodoo out...appreciate it!
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Hello,

I will look at this later this evening.

Meanwhile, are the 11 yrs 6 mo all AD? Active duty equivalent is needed for RC retirees.

I infer that you have a 50% approval by the CRSC board or expect that rate.

Ron
 
Ben Echmeyer said:
Here are my numbers:

High 3: 6120
DoD Disability: 70%/CRSC Disability 50%
Total Service: 11 yrs. 6 mos.
VA Compensation With Wife and 2 kids under 18: 100%/3537
Disqual Conitions: Bilateral shoulders (40%), PTSD Combat Related (50%)
No qual for other retirement.

Please help me figure this voodoo out...appreciate it!
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Hello @Ben Echmeyer

1. 6120 x 70% = 4284 retired Pay
2. 4284 minus 3537 = 747 residual retired pay
3. 11.5 AD years x 2.5% = 28.75% longevity multiplier
4. 6120 x 28.75% = 1759.50 longevity portion of retired pay
5. CRSC @ 50%, spruce & 2 children u/18 = 1099
6. CRSC PLUS Residual Ret pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of your retirement pay
7. 1759.50 minus 747 = 1012.50 max CRSC
8. DFAS will pay:
—747 residual
—1012.50 CRSC
TOTAL: 1759.50 Based on the info you provided
9. You will also receive your VA comp

Ron
 
Many thanks in advance, I think I have figured it out, stats: 90% DOD/100% VA, Spouse and 4 kids 18y 11m, High 3 $8,275

High 3$ 8,274.64
Years Service
18.91666667​
Multiplier
2.50%​
CRSC M1
0.472916667​
Longevity$ 3,913.22
Disability %
75%​
Disability Ret$ 6,205.98
VA Payment$ 3,711.83
Residual$ 2,494.15
Longevity$ 3,913.22
CRSC @70%$ 1,839.71
$ 1,419.06
DFAS$ 3,913.22
VA$ 3,711.83
Total Payment$ 7,625.05
 
johneski97 said:
Many thanks in advance, I think I have figured it out, stats: 90% DOD/100% VA, Spouse and 4 kids 18y 11m, High 3 $8,275

High 3$ 8,274.64
Years Service
18.91666667​
Multiplier
2.50%​
CRSC M1
0.472916667​
Longevity$ 3,913.22
Disability %
75%​
Disability Ret$ 6,205.98
VA Payment$ 3,711.83
Residual$ 2,494.15
Longevity$ 3,913.22
CRSC @70%$ 1,839.71
$ 1,419.06
DFAS$ 3,913.22
VA$ 3,711.83
Total Payment$ 7,625.05
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Hello,

Very good. I did not recompute the info, but...
Residual = 2494.15
CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of retired pay.
CRSC reduced to 1419.06 results in
DfAS total = 3913.22 (there is a one cent error here that is insignificant)

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6205.98 Ret pay minus 3711.83 = 2494.15 residual
longevity 3913.22 minus 2494.15 = 1419.07 max CRSC
1419.07 + 2494.15 = 3913.22 Total DFAS
This corrects the error in original computation.


Ron
 
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Hey I need a calculation.

Here are my numbers

1.I am in the reserves for 12 years.
2. Only 13 months of active duty time.
3. Va dis rating of 100% w/spouse 2 kids
4.I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 75% DOD combat related.

I think i can only apply for CRSC I am new to this so I dont know any others.

If any can help I would much appreciate it.
 
carlosvelez51 said:
Hey I need a calculation.

Here are my numbers

1.I am in the reserves for 12 years.
2. Only 13 months of active duty time.
3. Va dis rating of 100% w/spouse 2 kids
4.I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 75% DOD combat related.

I think i can only apply for CRSC I am new to this so I dont know any others.

If any can help I would much appreciate it.
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Hello @carlosvelez51

Needed within one reply:
1.--Average high three for basic pay (total of the highest 36 months of pay divided by 36) As an alternative (and better) cite the gross retired pay on the most recent DFAS RAS. Indicate which you are furnishing.

2.--DoD disability percentage

3. --Active duty years and months (or active duty equivalent for RC members--creditable points for retirement divided by 360)--Your retirement orders will show this under "Disability Retirement"

4. --VA compensation
percentage;
and
amount;
and
dependents by category; and ages of dependent children.
and
Also provide information pertaining to any SMCs you receive.

5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service.

6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system

7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment?

8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option?

Ron

Added: Info for CRSC application A Supplement to CRSC Information <---LINK
 
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RonG said:
Hello @carlosvelez51

Needed within one reply:
1.--Average high three for basic pay (total of the highest 36 months of pay divided by 36) As an alternative (and better) cite the gross retired pay on the most recent DFAS RAS. Indicate which you are furnishing. I have not recieved my Retirment. - I was only active for 13 months. I have 12 years reserve. while i was active down range I was receving $6120 a month.

2.--DoD disability percentage - DOD just gave 75%

3. --Active duty years and months (or active duty equivalent for RC members--creditable points for retirement divided by 360)--Your retirement orders will show this under "Disability Retirement" - 1064 credible points / 360 = 2.95

4. --VA compensation - Currently
percentage; - 100%
and
amount; - $3,537.
and
dependents by category; and ages of dependent children. - Spouse and 2 kids under 18
and
Also provide information pertaining to any SMCs you receive. - none

5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service. - I have not applied for CRSC

6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system - I have not transitioned

7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? - I do not know what that is

8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? - I have not

Ron

Added: Info for CRSC application A Supplement to CRSC Information <---LINK
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Hello @carlosvelez51

Your Info with comments added:

1. I was only active for 13 months. I have 12 years reserve. while i was active down range I was receiving $6120 a month.

2.--DoD disability percentage - DOD just gave 75% (COMMENT: DoD ratings are in 10% increments (example 50;60;70;80; 90; 100--80% and above are paid at 75%)

3. --Active duty years and months (or active duty equivalent for RC members--creditable points for retirement divided by 360)--Your retirement orders will show this under "Disability Retirement" - 1064 credible points / 360 = 2.95 (COMMENT: any active duty would have been counted as one point for each day; I assume that is included)

4. --VA compensation - Currently
percentage; - 100%
and
amount; - $3,537.
and
dependents by category; and ages of dependent children. - Spouse and 2 kids under 18
and
Also provide information pertaining to any SMCs you receive. - none

5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service. - I have not applied for CRSC

6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system - I have not transitioned

7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? - I do not know what that is (not applicable then)

8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? - I have not
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Estimate using the info you provided.

1. 6120 high three provided (at best, a guess since high three is the total of the highest 36 months of basic pay divided by 36)
TIMES 75% = 4590 retired pay

2. 4590 ret pay minus 3537 amount of VA = 1053 residual retired pay you keep

3. 2.95 AD equivalent years x 2.5% = 7.38% longevity multiplier

4. 6120 x 7.38%= 451.66 longevity portion of retired pay

5. The combination of CRSC and residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.

6. Since your residual retired pay by itself exceeds the ceiling, the CRSC = zero

If you learn of more exact figures during the PEB, you can return for a revised estimate. However, your residual retired pay is so high that it might not make a difference. Please note that with your large amount of residual retired pay, you have a larger benefit than you would have received with just CRSC (i.e., $461.66).

Ron
 
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So I got a letter stating I will get 40%, not 50% for CRSC. So, since I am generally bad at math and don’t really grasp the concepts here, I’ll repost hoping a CRSC voodoo math SME can help me out.

High 3: 6120
DoD Disability 70%/VA 100%
VA Pay with wife and two ankle biters:$3537
11yrs, 6 mos active duty
CRSC: 40%
Thanks!
 
Ben Echmeyer said:
So I got a letter stating I will get 40%, not 50% for CRSC. So, since I am generally bad at math and don’t really grasp the concepts here, I’ll repost hoping a CRSC voodoo math SME can help me out.

High 3: 6120
DoD Disability 70%/VA 100%
VA Pay with wife and two ankle biters:$3537
11yrs, 6 mos active duty
CRSC: 40%
Thanks!
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Earlier I provided the following:

1. 6120 x 70% = 4284 retired Pay
2. 4284 minus 3537 = 747 residual retired pay
3. 11.5 AD years x 2.5% = 28.75% longevity multiplier
4. 6120 x 28.75% = 1759.50 longevity portion of retired pay
5. CRSC @ 50%, spouse & 2 children u/18 = 1099
6. CRSC PLUS Residual Ret pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of your retirement pay
7. 1759.50 minus 747 = 1012.50 max CRSC
8. DFAS will pay:
—747 residual
—1012.50 CRSC
TOTAL: 1759.50 Based on the info you provided
9. You will also receive your VA comp

Estimate using 40% CRSC.
item 6 changes to 40% with spouse w 2 children u 18 = 756.77 + 34 total: 790.77


6120 x 70% = 4284 retired Pay
2. 4284 minus 3537 = 747 residual retired pay
3. 11.5 AD years x 2.5% = 28.75% longevity multiplier
4. 6120 x 28.75% = 1759.50 longevity portion of retired pay
5. CRSC @ 40%, spouse & 2 children u/18 = 790.77
6. CRSC PLUS Residual Ret pay cannot exceed the longevity portion of your retirement pay
7. 1759.50 minus 747 = 1012.50 max CRSC using longevity however CRSC also cannot exceed tge approved percentage amont of 790.77
8. DFAS will pay:
—747 residual
—790.77 CRSC
TOTAL: 1537.77 Based on the info you provided
9. You will also receive your VA comp

Ron
 
sir,
Please help me out if possible

1. High 3: 4,410
2. DOD% 30
3. 14yrs 5 mo AD
4.VA 100% with spouse (3,636)
5. CRSC 70%
 
CharliEOD said:
sir,
Please help me out if possible

1. High 3: 4,410
2. DOD% 30
3. 14yrs 5 mo AD
4.VA 100% with spouse (3,636)
5. CRSC 70%
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Hello @CharliEOD

Based on the limited info provided here is an estimate (note to future readers, not all the necessary info has been furnished by the veteran. That necessary info has been outlimed earlier in this thread).

a. 4410 x 30% = 1323 disability retired pay
Higher computation: 14.417 AD x 2.5% = 36.04% longevity multiplier. 4410 x 36.04% = 1589.36 retired pay
Note 2: 2% instead of 2.5% is used if retiree was in blended retirement system

b. Retired pay reduced to zero by VA offset
c. 14.417 AD x 2.5% = 36.04% longevity multiplier. 4410 x 36.04% = 1589.36
d. CRSC @ 70% in VA comp tables = 1,659.95
e. CRSC cannot exceed the longevity amount.
f. CRSC payable based on available info: 1589.36 (it will be less if the blended retirement is involved)

Ron
 
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RonG said:
Hello @armyaviator

Case.
1. High 3: $7867
2. DoD disability retirement percentage. 70%
3. Total Service: Active for 15 years and 2.5 months upon retirement.
4. VA compensation: 100% w/spouse and 2 children, $3537, SMC-K at $111
5. I've got 1 referred condition that put me at 70% DOD and it is combat related (V1/V3)
6. No qualification for any other type of retirement.

CRSC estimate.
a. 7867 x 70% = 5507
b. 5507 minus (3537 + 111) = 1859 residual retired pay
c. 15.166 AD years x 2.5% = 37.92% longevity multiplier
d. 7867 x 37.92% = 2983 longevity portion of retired pay
e. Guess 70% CRSC with spouse and 2C u/18 : (1,656.71 +61 +111 ) = 1828.71 Maximum CRSC based on percentage approved
f. CRSC plus residual retired pay cannot exceed 2983 longevity
g. 2983 longevity minus 1859 residual = 1124 amount that can be CRSC (see item e)
h. DFAS will pay each month based on the info you provided:
--1859 residual retired pay
--1124 CRSC
TOTAL = 2983

i. You will also receive your VA comp.

Ron
added: An approved CRSC percentage was not provided.
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Hello Mr. Ron. Can you do an estimate for me?

The high 3 (5398) at 17 years and 3 months
--I was approved for 50% DOD in my medical retirements, which is $2695.
-- I have 17 years and 3 months and 2 days of active duty
--I receive 90% VA which is $2044.00 with include SMC-K with is $111.18 I have a wife and no kids
--Approved 60% CRSC-- wife and no kids
 
Aw2man said:
Hello Mr. Ron. Can you do an estimate for me?

The high 3 (5398) at 17 years and 3 months
--I was approved for 50% DOD in my medical retirements, which is $2695.
-- I have 17 years and 3 months and 2 days of active duty
--I receive 90% VA which is $2044.00 with include SMC-K with is $111.18 I have a wife and no kids
--Approved 60% CRSC-- wife and no kids
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Hello,

This is a copy of the original estimate which was based on the info you provided several months ago
  • Oct 20, 2021
  • Note: There has been a COLA increase since the original computation
Estimate:



1. Retired pay 2685 minus 1930.18 = 754.82 residual retired pay you keep NEED NEW GROSS RETIRED PAY AMOUNT FROM DFAS RAS
2. 17.25 AD years x 2.5% =43.13% longevity multiplier
3. 5390 high three (2695/50% = 5390) x 43.13% = 2324.71 longevity portion of retired pay NEED NEW GROSS RETIRED PAY AMOUNT FROM DFAS RAS
4. 60% CRSC + smc-k = 1,251.39 + 111.18 = 1362.57 WAS THE SMC-K included in the CRSC approval?
5. The combination of residual retired pay and CRSC cannot exceed the longevity amount.
6. Residual retired pay 754.82 plus 1362.57 = 2117.39 less than the longevity ceiling
7. Each month from DFAS:
--754.82 residual retired pay
--1362.57 CRSC
8. You also will receive your VA comp.

Amounts will differ due to COLA increase and new rate for VA comp

CRSC can never exceed the amount of waived retired pay.

It appears you have posted the same question twice. Provis answers are accurate.

Ron
 
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