Do I qualify for CRSC

CAVPATRIOT07

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Hello,

So I am new to the forum, I was researching the MEB/PEB process because I have just begun it and this site came up. As I currently stated, I really have just begun the MEB process (my VA appointments begin this week). I have been in the Army as a 19A since OCT 2007 (over 15 years of Service and multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan) and after multiple surgeries on my dominant shoulder, my orthopedic has stated that my torn tendons/labrum cannot be repaired and I will eventually require a shoulder replacement (the replacement is when I just cannot bare the pain anymore). He additionally stated (all of this is documented) that I can no longer continue in this line of work and I need to limit myself to desk type of employment; my PCM immediately put me in for an MEB based on the note which highlighted no more body armor or rucking.

Since I have began this, I am been researching as much as possible to see what kind of impacts I can expect to my "retirement;" being as close as I am to 20 yrs, I wasn't sure how much I am financially kicking myself for going through this now. I came across a section about the Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) and it maybe something I qualify for; I asked my PEBLO and he flat said no because I was not under direct/indirect fire when I initially sustained my injury. I hurt both of my shoulders while in Afghanistan in 2015; I hurt it initially while conducting sanctioned combat operations/combat patrols, pulling guys out of ditches/creaks and assisting in the emplacement of c-wire, mines, and other obstacles (I have a MFR from the PL who led the patrols stating this). I saw the physical therapist on the FOB multiple times to either get dry needled in both shoulders or do physical therapy exercises for both shoulders. When I came back and while filling out my post deployment PHA, the section came up regarding if you sustained injury during the deployment; I selected N/A (or No) because the instructor at the SRP site stated that section was for anyone who was MEDEVAC'd.

Four months post redeployment, I PCS'd to an ROTC program where I was not near an Army instillation to receive care. My PMS at the time instructed the cadre members of the program to utilize the schools Physical Therapy Department, the department supported the program with Athletic Trainers for medical care to the Cadets. I saw them multiple times for support/issues with my shoulder but I do not believe those visits were documented (I do have MFRs from former cadets to support this). Once I had PCS'd from the ROTC program in summer of 2019 and returned to an Army installation, I began seeing docs for my shoulders to the point I received cortisone shots in both Shoulders in NOV 2019 and then my first surgery on my dominant shoulder in Dec 2020 (COVID suspended any type of physical therapy and doctor follow ups until the Summer of 2020, the point where the Army ortho said I needed to have surgery immediately). An Army doctor did the first surgery and did a full rotator cuff repair, tendon repair, and bicep tendon (biceps tenodesis) relocation due to the tendon being torn.

After one year of physical therapy, I still had multiple torn tendons and labrum to the point I required a second surgery (this was identified by a civilian orthopedic since I PCS'd in summer of 2021 and their was no Army Ortho on the installation). The ortho went into the surgery attempting to repair the tears and was unable to do so (he additionally stated that when the first doc relocated my bicep tendon, he put it in a bad spot which results in the tendon constantly flaring up and eventually needing to be cut); this puts me where I am today in the process of an MEB. I have talked to multiple people and have had some tell me that I do qualify for CRSC and my PEBLO who says I do not. I am very very close to enlisting the services of an attorney throughout this because I feel there is way to much to at stake (I have a wife and 4 kids I support).

I am just seeking a bit of advice/guidance on things; I am sure everyone here knows, the process is very stressful and cloudy (probably because they do not want people to know the true ins and outs of it). But, I am prepared to fight for what is owed to me but only if it is truly owed to me, I don't want to be one of these LT/E5s who game the system and walk out financially better then people who traditionally retire.

Any advice/help is greatly appreciated.
 
Hello @CAVPATRIOT07

Re: Direct/indirect fire

I was a finance clerk in Vietnam and have 100% CRSC.

This article has everything I know about CRSC except the actual computations (which I do know).
Contemporary CRSC Information--Also See Update at Bottom of this Resource Page <—LINK

RECOMMENDATIONS:
see
TDRL/PDRL = @chaplaincharlie @Provis
CRSC applications = @RetiredColonel-MikeT

Good luck,
Ron

Edited to add: see CRDP
Defense Finance and Accounting Service > RetiredMilitary > disability > crdp <—-LINK
 
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Do you want to stay in until 20 years? AR 635-40, Chapter 6: Continuation on Active Duty (COAD). And yes, you should apply for CRSC if and when the time comes battle buddy!
 
Do you want to stay in until 20 years? AR 635-40, Chapter 6: Continuation on Active Duty (COAD). And yes, you should apply for CRSC if and when the time comes battle buddy!
I am considering COAD based on my percentage. I know my VA rep said I should be getting 100% with all my claims but it’s the Army percentage I am nervous about.

Honestly, I am hoping my Army percentage is high enough to where I don’t see much of a difference between getting out now (either CSRC and VA or high percentage and VA) and a traditional retirement (VA disability and CDSP retirement). My family and I are done, we are ready to get out. We are ready to give our kids a normal life.
 
Re: “We are ready to give our kids a normal life.”

That was a major consideration when I decided to retire with 22 years 8 months active duty. I declined a late offer to be the senior NCO of our branch (PMOS) school, to continue with my approved retirement.

Never regretted that decision.

Ron

Edited to add: In a couple of months, I will “celebrate” my 20th anniversary of my second retirement. Yes, I am ancient; I was born the year WWII ended.
 
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@RonG must have mentioned my name, my ears were burning ;)

So, you just started the MEB process, so I'm assuming you haven't had your C&P exams yet? Figure 6-9 months max time you have left barring any processing time-related issues (covid-type shutdown, system failure, etc). COAD has a low approval rate, so you should start getting those ducks in a row NOW, i.e. key in on AR 635-40 ch 6-3, 6-5, and esp 6-6. I'm not seeing it in the reg but you should have at LEAST three letters of recommendation with at least one O-6 (or civ equiv) in the soldier's chain of command. If you have this ready by the time your file goes to the PEB, you'll be that much better off when it comes time to make a decision as to stay or go once the PEB's findings come back.

As for CRSC, your PEBLO is not an adjudicating authority. I have a better chance of saying "yay" or "nay" to your conditions than they would. HRC Special Pay Branch which handles CRSC claims does NOT use combat-related determinations of the PEB nor VA. As long as you can show a causal relationship between your condition(s) and a combat-related event(s), you *should* be gtg. Do you have any combat-related awards? CAB/CIB/CMB/PH/BS/SS/any other award with a "V", "C" or "A" appurtenance helps tremendously, esp if one has a behavioral health diagnosis. You can always PM me if you have specific questions if you desire privacy about condition(s).
 
Hello,

So I am new to the forum, I was researching the MEB/PEB process because I have just begun it and this site came up. As I currently stated, I really have just begun the MEB process (my VA appointments begin this week). I have been in the Army as a 19A since OCT 2007 (over 15 years of Service and multiple deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan) and after multiple surgeries on my dominant shoulder, my orthopedic has stated that my torn tendons/labrum cannot be repaired and I will eventually require a shoulder replacement (the replacement is when I just cannot bare the pain anymore). He additionally stated (all of this is documented) that I can no longer continue in this line of work and I need to limit myself to desk type of employment; my PCM immediately put me in for an MEB based on the note which highlighted no more body armor or rucking.

Since I have began this, I am been researching as much as possible to see what kind of impacts I can expect to my "retirement;" being as close as I am to 20 yrs, I wasn't sure how much I am financially kicking myself for going through this now. I came across a section about the Combat Related Special Compensation (CRSC) and it maybe something I qualify for; I asked my PEBLO and he flat said no because I was not under direct/indirect fire when I initially sustained my injury. I hurt both of my shoulders while in Afghanistan in 2015; I hurt it initially while conducting sanctioned combat operations/combat patrols, pulling guys out of ditches/creaks and assisting in the emplacement of c-wire, mines, and other obstacles (I have a MFR from the PL who led the patrols stating this). I saw the physical therapist on the FOB multiple times to either get dry needled in both shoulders or do physical therapy exercises for both shoulders. When I came back and while filling out my post deployment PHA, the section came up regarding if you sustained injury during the deployment; I selected N/A (or No) because the instructor at the SRP site stated that section was for anyone who was MEDEVAC'd.

Four months post redeployment, I PCS'd to an ROTC program where I was not near an Army instillation to receive care. My PMS at the time instructed the cadre members of the program to utilize the schools Physical Therapy Department, the department supported the program with Athletic Trainers for medical care to the Cadets. I saw them multiple times for support/issues with my shoulder but I do not believe those visits were documented (I do have MFRs from former cadets to support this). Once I had PCS'd from the ROTC program in summer of 2019 and returned to an Army installation, I began seeing docs for my shoulders to the point I received cortisone shots in both Shoulders in NOV 2019 and then my first surgery on my dominant shoulder in Dec 2020 (COVID suspended any type of physical therapy and doctor follow ups until the Summer of 2020, the point where the Army ortho said I needed to have surgery immediately). An Army doctor did the first surgery and did a full rotator cuff repair, tendon repair, and bicep tendon (biceps tenodesis) relocation due to the tendon being torn.

After one year of physical therapy, I still had multiple torn tendons and labrum to the point I required a second surgery (this was identified by a civilian orthopedic since I PCS'd in summer of 2021 and their was no Army Ortho on the installation). The ortho went into the surgery attempting to repair the tears and was unable to do so (he additionally stated that when the first doc relocated my bicep tendon, he put it in a bad spot which results in the tendon constantly flaring up and eventually needing to be cut); this puts me where I am today in the process of an MEB. I have talked to multiple people and have had some tell me that I do qualify for CRSC and my PEBLO who says I do not. I am very very close to enlisting the services of an attorney throughout this because I feel there is way to much to at stake (I have a wife and 4 kids I support).

I am just seeking a bit of advice/guidance on things; I am sure everyone here knows, the process is very stressful and cloudy (probably because they do not want people to know the true ins and outs of it). But, I am prepared to fight for what is owed to me but only if it is truly owed to me, I don't want to be one of these LT/E5s who game the system and walk out financially better then people who traditionally retire.

Any advice/help is greatly appreciated.
Hey! I just went through the IDES process and just got approved for COAD last month.
I have over 16 years TIS. I had a pulmonary embolism last year and require indefinite anticoagulation medication now. I have 3 young kids and I was ready to be done. But…. I hate the thought of getting out so close to 20 years and walking away with just disability check. I know I can put in for CRSC but even with 100%, it wouldn’t be close to what my retirement check would be. It’s also not guaranteed. After doing some research I decided what the he’ll, put in a COAD packet and let the Army decide for me.
As much as I wanted to get out, I didn’t want to regret not trying to stay in to finish my time.
The PEB found me unfit 60% DOD, 100%VA and recommended Perm medical retirement. I accepted those findings and submitted my COAD packet the same day. Everyone I spoke with pretty much said it’s rare for anyone to get approved for COAD. My lawyer pretty much told me don’t bother to apply if I’m asking for more than 2 years. My lawyer also gave me bad info and told me I had to exhaust all appeals before I could apply for COAD (not true) I’m glad I went with my instincts.

Im grateful that I am able to continue until I reach 20 years AFS. I will now be able to retire and receive both retirement and disability. I am now only managed by the COAD team and can pretty much go anywhere as long as I’m accepted by the CSM. My last 3 years should fly by.

Regular retirement IS owed to you … you’re so close to the finish line. Just something to think about. If you have any questions at all, let me know. Good luck and I hope everything works out for you !
 
Congrats on being the exception and not the rule when it comes to COAD! And I wish I could get a few mins with that lawyer to "educate" him ;)
 
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