MESSED UP NARSUM

ghost787

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I recieved notice that my NARSUM had been submitted to afpc during the IRILO process but I hadnt been given the chance to review it before they submitted it. When I checked the NARSUM, only 1 unfitting condition was listed, even though I have 2 unfitting conditions. Naturally this freaked me out as I know that the DOD rating looks at unfitting conditions, but my question is : do i have a chance to amend this later? Am I able to have better input further down the road? I just submitted my SHA and willl be beginning the VA process shortly.
 
I recieved notice that my NARSUM had been submitted to afpc during the IRILO process but I hadnt been given the chance to review it before they submitted it. When I checked the NARSUM, only 1 unfitting condition was listed, even though I have 2 unfitting conditions. Naturally this freaked me out as I know that the DOD rating looks at unfitting conditions, but my question is : do i have a chance to amend this later? Am I able to have better input further down the road? I just submitted my SHA and willl be beginning the VA process shortly.
Did you concur? Normally you have to sign off on the NARSUM by concurring or don't concur and then do an IMR and or Rebuttal. Nothing you can do until you get the NARSUM presented to you to concur or not. Typically the NARSUM will reflect the condition you were referred for even if you have additional unfitting conditions. Are both unfitting conditions listed and explained in your commander's impact statement? If you are AF you are able to review and concur or non concur on the impact statement from the commander too.

Just remember that at each step where you have to sign off on something make sure to protest any part that isn't correct. chances are that whatever the NARSUM says will be what the iPEB does which means you will need to appeal at every step and then after iPEB results come out only then can you try to get it changed. That's at the FPEB stage. The FPEB is going to review all the other steps so its important that they see you appealing at every stage.

Also you can work on your medical in the meantime. Do you have a profile that is properly restrictive for both conditions that you think should be unfit? That and the commander's impact statement are going to be the 2 major pieces that the FPEB is going to look at. The more ducks you can line up in a row the better your chances are to get the results that you want.

I would be remiss if I didn't state that you should look into hiring private IDES attorney. They can put more time into your case than JAG simply because JAG is spread too thin to give everything the maximum time needed for each and every case. I will send you via direct message some references.
 
Did you concur? Normally you have to sign off on the NARSUM by concurring or don't concur and then do an IMR and or Rebuttal. Nothing you can do until you get the NARSUM presented to you to concur or not. Typically the NARSUM will reflect the condition you were referred for even if you have additional unfitting conditions. Are both unfitting conditions listed and explained in your commander's impact statement? If you are AF you are able to review and concur or non concur on the impact statement from the commander too.

Just remember that at each step where you have to sign off on something make sure to protest any part that isn't correct. chances are that whatever the NARSUM says will be what the iPEB does which means you will need to appeal at every step and then after iPEB results come out only then can you try to get it changed. That's at the FPEB stage. The FPEB is going to review all the other steps so its important that they see you appealing at every stage.

Also you can work on your medical in the meantime. Do you have a profile that is properly restrictive for both conditions that you think should be unfit? That and the commander's impact statement are going to be the 2 major pieces that the FPEB is going to look at. The more ducks you can line up in a row the better your chances are to get the results that you want.

I would be remiss if I didn't state that you should look into hiring private IDES attorney. They can put more time into your case than JAG simply because JAG is spread too thin to give everything the maximum time needed for each and every case. I will send you via direct message some references.
Something must be wrong here, since I only concurred with the command impact statement and not the NARSUM. Also from what I know , there is a seperate NARSUM that is formulated in the MEB process. Also my 2 conditions were listed on the NARSUM, but with one being listed as "unfitting" and the other being listed as a "symptom", even though the 2 conditions have nothing to do with each other.
 
This is the problem with the USAF RILO process- essentially, the med board before the med board, which determines on an initial level whether you can be returned to duty, given assignment limitations, or directed towards a full MEB. It is a uniquely Air Force phenomenon in which there is no obligation placed on your PEBLO or providers to share a copy of the Physical and/or Mental Health Template- the terms used by the Air Force for their Narrative Summaries. The only document shared with the member is the AF-1185, and the PEBLO typically assembles the RILO package. Often, the PEBLO will inadvertently leave out vital records in the process, to the detriment of the member.

The good news is that the NVLSP has recently filed a class action lawsuit challenging the suit, alleging that the "pre-screening" violates 10 U.S.C. § 1071 (as updated) and DoDI 1332.18 by failing to provide required medical evaluation board (MEB) referrals. For a good review of the issues regarding the RILO process, I have attached a copy of a memo filed in the case.
 

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This is the problem with the USAF RILO process- essentially, the med board before the med board, which determines on an initial level whether you can be returned to duty, given assignment limitations, or directed towards a full MEB. It is a uniquely Air Force phenomenon in which there is no obligation placed on your PEBLO or providers to share a copy of the Physical and/or Mental Health Template- the terms used by the Air Force for their Narrative Summaries. The only document shared with the member is the AF-1185, and the PEBLO typically assembles the RILO package. Often, the PEBLO will inadvertently leave out vital records in the process, to the detriment of the member.

The good news is that the NVLSP has recently filed a class action lawsuit challenging the suit, alleging that the "pre-screening" violates 10 U.S.C. § 1071 (as updated) and DoDI 1332.18 by failing to provide required medical evaluation board (MEB) referrals. For a good review of the issues regarding the RILO process, I have attached a copy of a memo filed in the case.
Thats exactly what happened in my case. My NARSUM was submitted to AFPC during the IRILO without my review AND it had incorrect information. In talking to my PCM about the NARSUM it became clear that she had entered my second unfitting condition as a symptom of the first condition instead of its own unfitting condition due to a typo. Arthritis in my back isnt a symptom of a hip injury lol. I was told by my PEBLO "its gonna be incredibly hard to change it but we'll try". Uhhh , excuse me? I wasnt given the opporotunity to review MY OWN file, and now its an uphill battle? I really hope to get this resolved.
 
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