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RED1967

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Hi, I am 47 years old E6 Army, with a lot of medical issues it ranges from migraine headaches neck pain lower back pain hip/neck bone spurs arthritis in neck and back on top of that I lost part of my left kidney due to partial nephrectomy. I been on temporarily profile for over a year I do not know what to say to my doctor to start my MEB process. Cortisone shot to the back it did not help the pain is worse and after my kidney surgery I am getting tired and unable to do much at all. If someone out here can assist me and set me in the right direction will be greatly appreciated it. thank you in advance.
Red.
 
Hi, I am 47 years old E6 Army, with a lot of medical issues it ranges from migraine headaches neck pain lower back pain hip/neck bone spurs arthritis in neck and back on top of that I lost part of my left kidney due to partial nephrectomy. I been on temporarily profile for over a year I do not know what to say to my doctor to start my MEB process. Cortisone shot to the back it did not help the pain is worse and after my kidney surgery I am getting tired and unable to do much at all. If someone out here can assist me and set me in the right direction will be greatly appreciated it. thank you in advance.
Red.

Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

From a procedural viewpoint and to aide with building your new DoD IDES knowledgebase, the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process is explained in detail as follows:

After referral into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process by your military PCM who initiated a permanent physical profile with PULHES of 3 or 4 in any one category, the Military Treatment Facility (MTF) who has approval authority for DoD IDES
MEB referrals shall review the originally PCM-initiated permanent physical profile request.

Upon acceptance into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process, during the MEB Phase is when all of your medical conditions are reviewed to determine which are "medically unacceptable" or "medically acceptable" conditions. The MTF will assign a PEBLO to develop the MEB case file for the MEB phase of the DoD IDES process.

To that extent, the MEB Physician is supposed to review all applicable medical condition(s) associated with a PULHES category of 3 or 4 in the AHLTA EMR database system, and then make an informed objective medical evidence determination to either maintain, down select, or upgrade the specific category code in the PULHES.

Upon approval by the DoD IDES MEB Physician(s) at the MTF of the PCM-initiated permanent physical profile referral, the MEB Physician shall either generate a new permanent physical profile with updated PULHES (most favorable course of action in my opinion) or transpose the PCM-initiated permanent physical profile with PULHES as written (least favorable course of action in my opinion).

In continuation of the DoD IDES MEB process, a Narrative Summary (NARSUM) is dictated after receipt of the DoVA C&P Examination results which outlines in detail all medically unacceptable and medically acceptable conditions.

It's unknown what type of C&P Exam clinician you will get on the day(s) of the evaluation. In my opinion, some DoVA C&P Examination clinicians are good-to-go while others seem not to care about the military service member.

With that said, you may receive good or bad results from either of the aforementioned type of DoVA C&P Exam clinicians; there are no guarantees. Depending on the type of C&P Exam, the clinician will just ask a lot of questions and/or perform a physical evaluation.

If the MEB determines that medically unacceptable conditions exist, then the IDES case file is forward to the PEB for a fit for duty or unfit for duty determination. The MEB phase has an officially published DoD timeline of 100 calendar days for Active Component (AC) military personnel and 140 calendar days for Reserve Component (RC) military personnel.

If the PEB determines any unfit medical conditions, then the IDES case file is forward to the DoVA D-RAS for ratings of all PEB referred unfitting conditions (e.g., DoD disability rating(s)) and all DoVA claimed conditions. It's important to note that DoD must adopt the DoVA D-RAS rating(s) for each PEB-referred unfitting condition(s).

Upon receipt of the IPEB findings inclusive of DoD and DoVA proposed ratings, the DA Form 199 (or similar Service specific document) is generated. The PEBLO has a three day maximum limit to inform you of the IPEB findings and your election options once he/she received your IPEB fitness determination and disability ratings. The PEB phase has an officially published DoD timeline of 120 calendar days for both AC and RC military personnel, but current timelines are well extended due to the backlog of DoVA disability claims.

When the DA Form 199 (or similar Service specific document) is finally signed [e.g. after resolution of a PEB appeal/review and/or an one-time VA Rating Reconsideration (VARR) request, if warranted], then it's forwarded to the Transition Point Processing System (TRANSPOC) II.

Moreover, TRANSPOC II performs transition processing functions in which it generates the DD Form 214 (Certificate of Release from Active Duty or Discharge) document, and schedules the generation of retirement/separation orders from the US Military.

In conclusion, the DoD officially published timeline for AC military personnel within the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process is 295 calendar days, and RC military personnel is 305 calendar days . But, it's potentially delayed beyond the aforementioned durations due to the massive amounts of backlogged DoVA disability claims.

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
Hi, I am 47 years old E6 Army, with a lot of medical issues it ranges from migraine headaches neck pain lower back pain hip/neck bone spurs arthritis in neck and back on top of that I lost part of my left kidney due to partial nephrectomy. I been on temporarily profile for over a year I do not know what to say to my doctor to start my MEB process. Cortisone shot to the back it did not help the pain is worse and after my kidney surgery I am getting tired and unable to do much at all. If someone out here can assist me and set me in the right direction will be greatly appreciated it. thank you in advance.
Red.

Have you sat down with your Doctor and explained you can't do this anymore? With the list of illnesses you have, there is plenty to initiate an MEB. If you don't get help from the doctor, go to the Ombudsman, or the patient advocate at your MTF. Read AR 501-40 and see what it says about your conditions. It will have a comprehensive list of medical conditions that CAN trigger an MEB. Just be aware that the condition has to affect your duty performance. There are many who think that if it is listed, that the Army must do an MEB, but that is not true. Duty limitation is very important.

The AR will also tell you that temp profiles can not be extended past 1 year without a waiver by higher HQ. The doctor can not keep putting you on temp profiles to string you out until ETS.

Joe
 
Hi, I am 47 years old E6 Army, with a lot of medical issues it ranges from migraine headaches neck pain lower back pain hip/neck bone spurs arthritis in neck and back on top of that I lost part of my left kidney due to partial nephrectomy. I been on temporarily profile for over a year I do not know what to say to my doctor to start my MEB process. Cortisone shot to the back it did not help the pain is worse and after my kidney surgery I am getting tired and unable to do much at all. If someone out here can assist me and set me in the right direction will be greatly appreciated it. thank you in advance.
Red.

In addition...

Since you have been on a temporary profile for at least 12 month (whether cumulative or consecutive), your PCM is required to complete the necessary paperwork for direct referral into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process.

At this time, I would strongly suggest that you make the direct inquiry with your PCM as based upon the aforementioned criteria for entrance into the DoD IDES MEB/PEB process.

To that extent, hmm, maybe your PCM is not fully aware of the requirements and procedures for referral then potential acceptance into the DoD IDES process; never assume and make that inquiry now!

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
Thank you guys for your input, I will be seeing my doctor tomorrow, I am planing on being frank with him, I am not getting younger and my health issues are keeping me from doing my job. I am very honest I have too much pride and I love the Army. In the past it was hard for me to accept that I am injured. After my surgery and losing part of my kidney I have whole new perspective. I cannot live in pain and hide it to be the best example for my Soldiers, sometimes I forgot that I have a family that I need to be there for them too. Wish me luck and thanks again.
Red
 
Hi guys what I need to do my doctor been giving me the run around she is not listening to me and it seems she does not care about my situation, I know they are understaffed and overworked. I do not need medications anymore I need out because I do not want to be hurt and not being able to perform my duty and I cannot help it I am in pain all the time advise please thanks.
Red
 
Hi guys what I need to do my doctor been giving me the run around she is not listening to me and it seems she does not care about my situation, I know they are understaffed and overworked. I do not need medications anymore I need out because I do not want to be hurt and not being able to perform my duty and I cannot help it I am in pain all the time advise please thanks.
Red

Ask her for a second opinion. If she does not help you go to the MTF and ask for the patient advocate and they will help. Lastly you can reach out through the Ombudsman, or the Tricare office. You have every right to seek a second opinion on your treatment, and prognosis.
 
Hi guys what I need to do my doctor been giving me the run around she is not listening to me and it seems she does not care about my situation, I know they are understaffed and overworked. I do not need medications anymore I need out because I do not want to be hurt and not being able to perform my duty and I cannot help it I am in pain all the time advise please thanks.
Red

Indeed, please don't accept "no" as their final answer! ;)

To that extent, it's not your fault that they are potentially "understaffed" and/or "overworked" within their work environment. :confused:

Hmm, it seems that they need more tough love at the supervisory level for sure! Keep it up and never quit! :)

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
I was checking my profiles on AKO I found out that I had break in my profile due the doctor assigned to TMC did not have the authorization to access the system but I had a hand written profile what can I do about it and is it going to hinder my P3 thanks guys
 
I was checking my profiles on AKO I found out that I had break in my profile due the doctor assigned to TMC did not have the authorization to access the system but I had a hand written profile what can I do about it and is it going to hinder my P3 thanks guys

Did you go ask for a second opinion? Do you have a copy of the temp profile issued on paper? If not, the training room is a good place to start. Profiles get put in your folder. If you can't find it, I guess the next best thing you could do is look in your med records for your sick call appointment when you got the profile. The doc would record it as issuing a temp profile as the treatment for the visit.
 
Did you go ask for a second opinion? Do you have a copy of the temp profile issued on paper? If not, the training room is a good place to start. Profiles get put in your folder. If you can't find it, I guess the next best thing you could do is look in your med records for your sick call appointment when you got the profile. The doc would record it as issuing a temp profile as the treatment for the visit.
 
Ranger what I meant that the Doctor did not issue me 3349 because he was a civilian with no access to write the 3349 he was still waiting for his authorization, I have a copies for that period but not on the 3349. when I went and I met my provider she promised me that she will issue a P3 for me next month will this situation effect the P3 what do you think?
 
Ranger what I meant that the Doctor did not issue me 3349 because he was a civilian with no access to write the 3349, I have a copies for that period but not on the 3349

Then it is really going to come down to the doctors call. They can't issue temp profiles for more than 12 months without getting the MEB waived by higher HQ. So not having a profile for that time is going to break that time up. It's gonna come down to interpretation by her, or the doctor you seek a 2nd opinion from.
 
Then it is really going to come down to the doctors call. They can't issue temp profiles for more than 12 months without getting the MEB waived by higher HQ. So not having a profile for that time is going to break that time up. It's gonna come down to interpretation by her, or the doctor you seek a 2nd opinion from.
 
I am going to stick with her at this time because she is my provider and I did believe her when she said that she going to help out. She told to give her a little bit of time till she see all my medical file but she said that I am old and I do have a lot of issues that wont be a problem getting me the Med Board.
 
Doesn't make much sense to me. You said this before is

[quote="RED1967, post: 118590, member: 33646"Hi guys what I need to do my doctor been giving me the run around she is not listening to me and it seems she does not care about my situation, I know they are understaffed and overworked. I do not need medications anymore I need out because I do not want to be hurt and not being able to perform my duty and I cannot help it I am in pain all the time advise please thanks.
Red[/quote]

But now you are saying that you are going to give her more time. For what? She is either stringing it along, or not. The more time you wait, the more you add to your frustration. It also delays your getting better, and removing yourself from the stressors that are hurting your body.
 
Doesn't make much sense to me. You said this before is

[quote="RED1967, post: 118590, member: 33646"Hi guys what I need to do my doctor been giving me the run around she is not listening to me and it seems she does not care about my situation, I know they are understaffed and overworked. I do not need medications anymore I need out because I do not want to be hurt and not being able to perform my duty and I cannot help it I am in pain all the time advise please thanks.
Red

But now you are saying that you are going to give her more time. For what? She is either stringing it along, or not. The more time you wait, the more you add to your frustration. It also delays your getting better, and removing yourself from the stressors that are hurting your body.[/quote]

`I hear you she is my new provider I forgot to mention that Ranger sorry
 
But now you are saying that you are going to give her more time. For what? She is either stringing it along, or not. The more time you wait, the more you add to your frustration. It also delays your getting better, and removing yourself from the stressors that are hurting your body.

`I hear you she is my new provider I forgot to mention that Ranger sorry[/QUOTE]
Update today I got a phone call from provider telling me that she send my P3 profile for the COL to get it signed. I am keeping my fingers cross I hopping I will hear something in the next 10 days but here I need to ask you a question I have T3 for depression should they combined my profiles or how does it work?
 
`I hear you she is my new proouvider I forgot to mention that Ranger sorry
Update today I got a phone call from provider telling me that she send my P3 profile for the COL to get it signed. I am keeping my fingers cross I hopping I will hear something in the next 10 days but here I need to ask you a question I have T3 for depression should they combined my profiles or how does it work?[/QUOTE]

How long have you had the T3 for? Are you just beginning treatment, or are you pretty far along? What kind of limitations did they set?

On the surface, I think it should be a P3 if you have been seeking treatment for some time. If they have been actively attempting to treat it, and you haven't improved, then they should make it perm. On the other side, if you just started treatment, and meds, it takes a couple of months for SSRs to start working. It would be hard in that case to say it should be considered perm.

Not a medical opinion, but just my opinion based on what I know about the profiling system. Ar 40-501 has a full chapter on profiling. I would look there for the by the book answers.

Joe
 
Update today I got a phone call from provider telling me that she send my P3 profile for the COL to get it signed. I am keeping my fingers cross I hopping I will hear something in the next 10 days but here I need to ask you a question I have T3 for depression should they combined my profiles or how does it work?

How long have you had the T3 for? Are you just beginning treatment, or are you pretty far along? What kind of limitations did they set?

On the surface, I think it should be a P3 if you have been seeking treatment for some time. If they have been actively attempting to treat it, and you haven't improved, then they should make it perm. On the other side, if you just started treatment, and meds, it takes a couple of months for SSRs to start working. It would be hard in that case to say it should be considered perm.

Not a medical opinion, but just my opinion based on what I know about the profiling system. Ar 40-501 has a full chapter on profiling. I would look there for the by the book answers.

Joe[/QUOTE]
I been seeking help for behavioral health for the past six month but i just got my profile my question is will help my MEB and my DoD rating or not thank you
 
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