TDRL to PDRL

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jjcampbell

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Haven't posted on here for a while but figured I would give an update for those seeking info. It definitely was helpful to me before. Anyway, I was placed on TDRL in July 2013. I did my C&P for the reevaluation in October 2014. The VA ended up keeping my rating the same.

Now for the Army- I was rated at 50% TDRL from them. They notified me in December 2014 that I will be reevaluated shortly (most here know you can get your 1st reevaluation 6 months after separation). So it took about 18 months. I told them the VA just did theirs and they said they might end up just using the evidence from their rating decision.

I was notified in February 2015 that my Army reevaluation was completed (using the VA info) and they switched me from TDRL to PDRL. I asked my PEBLO why they put me on PDRL so quickly (I assumed the Army would use up their 5 years) and was told that it's been getting hard to have Soldiers come back to get reevaluated up to 5 yrs after separation (some have to be boarded, fed, etc.). So apparently, some cases are just going straight to PDRL after the first reevaluation.

I didn't expect that for mine, but hopefully it works out the same for those here that want that. Good luck.
 
Im pending separation and just received my proposed rating. They already have me scheduled for March 2016 to have my reevaluation done.
 
jjcampbell said:
Haven't posted on here for a while but figured I would give an update for those seeking info. It definitely was helpful to me before. Anyway, I was placed on TDRL in July 2013. I did my C&P for the reevaluation in October 2014. The VA ended up keeping my rating the same.

Now for the Army- I was rated at 50% TDRL from them. They notified me in December 2014 that I will be reevaluated shortly (most here know you can get your 1st reevaluation 6 months after separation). So it took about 18 months. I told them the VA just did theirs and they said they might end up just using the evidence from their rating decision.

I was notified in February 2015 that my Army reevaluation was completed (using the VA info) and they switched me from TDRL to PDRL. I asked my PEBLO why they put me on PDRL so quickly (I assumed the Army would use up their 5 years) and was told that it's been getting hard to have Soldiers come back to get reevaluated up to 5 yrs after separation (some have to be boarded, fed, etc.). So apparently, some cases are just going straight to PDRL after the first reevaluation.

I didn't expect that for mine, but hopefully it works out the same for those here that want that. Good luck.
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Welcome to the PEB Forum! :)

From my very recent experiences within the DoD LDES (e.g., the post-DoD IDES process) for placement onto the DoD military TDRL via an U.S. Army perspective, it seems that your assumptions are validated in reference to the adjudication of military TDRL participants for immediate placement onto the DoD military PDRL.

In retrospect for my particular initial DoD military TDRL re-evaluation, the DoD LDES IPEB recommended placement onto the DoD military PDRL although the DA Form 199 contained numerous invalided erroneous statements. As such, I had to request a FPEB hearing to potentially rectify the injustices albeit the FPEB official findings unfortunately only resulted in my continued placement onto the DoD military TDRL at this point in time.

That all said, the military veteran needs to weigh the importance of their own particular situation...acceptance of an erroneously written IPEB document as a permanent record for immediate placement onto the DoD military PDRL, or fight the IPEB findings to rectify its injustice via a FPEB hearing for potential continued placement onto the DoD military TDRL if unfavorable results are rendered. :eek:

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
Islandboy25, when I was pending separation they had me scheduled to be reevaluated in March 2014.. approx 6 months after my separation. I was told to expect at least a year to pass though and it ended up being about a year (I said 18 months in my original post but it was actually closer to 12 months.. I forgot I was on terminal leave for a while).

Warrior... I didn't even think about the perspective from your situation. For me, my PDRL ratings were the same as my TDRL so I was satisfied to accept it. Veterans definitely need to weigh their options on these scenarios.. I commend you for not accepting their mistakes and taking that risk.

From what I interpreted with your statement.. you are on TDRL now and will eventually have another reevaluation since the FPEB gave their findings? If your conditions warranted the Army to recommend PDRL, then why would they then recommend TDRL because you wanted to fix the mistakes? I'm just curious if you think this a "punishment" for lack of a better term (by taking it to FPEB & not accepting the PDRL)?
 
I still cannot seem to understand the while TDRL concept for Type 1 Diabetes. My doctor specifically noted in my narrative summary that "this will be a permanent disease state."
 
The VA has had "prestabilization" ratings for conditions that are "unstable" from the date of discharge from the service since at least 1970. Much of the DES/PEB since it was "stood up" have borrowed in many ways from VA concepts and ideas. So, that is a (very) short background on the why I think TDRL even exists in the DES.

Understand, the term "unstable" in the context of TDRL is not whether the condition is permanent or not. It means the likelihood that a condition will either worsen or improve to make a difference for rating purposes over the TDRL period. It has nothing to do with the medical term "stable" as it is normally used.
 
Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification. Speaking about this with my doctor today, he noted how the unstable nature of type 1 is interesting where rhe symptoms could get worse, but never get all the way better.
 
jjcampbell said:
Warrior... I didn't even think about the perspective from your situation. For me, my PDRL ratings were the same as my TDRL so I was satisfied to accept it. Veterans definitely need to weigh their options on these scenarios.. I commend you for not accepting their mistakes and taking that risk.

From what I interpreted with your statement.. you are on TDRL now and will eventually have another reevaluation since the FPEB gave their findings? If your conditions warranted the Army to recommend PDRL, then why would they then recommend TDRL because you wanted to fix the mistakes? I'm just curious if you think this a "punishment" for lack of a better term (by taking it to FPEB & not accepting the PDRL)?
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Indeed, I shall have another DoD TDRL re-evaluation in June 2016 while it has crossed my mind about being dealt "punishment" for not accepting the DoD PDRL findings from the USAPDA IPEB albeit it's probably not the case unfortunately.

Nonetheless, appreciate your support and hopefully during the next DoD TDRL re-evaluation the USAPDA IPEB shall present an accurately adjudicated DoD PDES PEB case file. Take care!

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
jjcampbell said:
Haven't posted on here for a while but figured I would give an update for those seeking info. It definitely was helpful to me before. Anyway, I was placed on TDRL in July 2013. I did my C&P for the reevaluation in October 2014. The VA ended up keeping my rating the same.

Now for the Army- I was rated at 50% TDRL from them. They notified me in December 2014 that I will be reevaluated shortly (most here know you can get your 1st reevaluation 6 months after separation). So it took about 18 months. I told them the VA just did theirs and they said they might end up just using the evidence from their rating decision.

I was notified in February 2015 that my Army reevaluation was completed (using the VA info) and they switched me from TDRL to PDRL. I asked my PEBLO why they put me on PDRL so quickly (I assumed the Army would use up their 5 years) and was told that it's been getting hard to have Soldiers come back to get reevaluated up to 5 yrs after separation (some have to be boarded, fed, etc.). So apparently, some cases are just going straight to PDRL after the first reevaluation.

I didn't expect that for mine, but hopefully it works out the same for those here that want that. Good luck.
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Question for you buddy. I am in a similar boat. Since it is extremely hard to get appointments for mental health with the VA I only get to see them once every month or 2. The VA just did my re eval though and I haven't done the TDRL with DoD yet. I am not sure if they will use the VA's like they did yours. That said, I have been going to a civilian doc that the DoD mostly pays for. Therefore IF the DoD TDRL people use my VA re eval, most of my medical evidence will not be present.......Was this the case for you? Were you seeing a civilian doc and the records were never even seen by DOD TDRL since they used the VA's or were you just getting your care from the VA? Thanks!
 
ReWilder86 said:
Question for you buddy. I am in a similar boat. Since it is extremely hard to get appointments for mental health with the VA I only get to see them once every month or 2. The VA just did my re eval though and I haven't done the TDRL with DoD yet. I am not sure if they will use the VA's like they did yours. That said, I have been going to a civilian doc that the DoD mostly pays for. Therefore IF the DoD TDRL people use my VA re eval, most of my medical evidence will not be present.......Was this the case for you? Were you seeing a civilian doc and the records were never even seen by DOD TDRL since they used the VA's or were you just getting your care from the VA? Thanks!
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In reference to your forthcoming DoD TDRL re-evaluation, please ensure that you obtain copies of all medical treatment records performed by your civilian mental healthcare provider then present them to your assigned PEBLO for uploading in the DoD system and/or forward all of those civilian medical records yourself to the DoD TDRL Office via USPS certified mail.

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
ReWilder86 said:
Question for you buddy. I am in a similar boat. Since it is extremely hard to get appointments for mental health with the VA I only get to see them once every month or 2. The VA just did my re eval though and I haven't done the TDRL with DoD yet. I am not sure if they will use the VA's like they did yours. That said, I have been going to a civilian doc that the DoD mostly pays for. Therefore IF the DoD TDRL people use my VA re eval, most of my medical evidence will not be present.......Was this the case for you? Were you seeing a civilian doc and the records were never even seen by DOD TDRL since they used the VA's or were you just getting your care from the VA? Thanks!
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Sorry for the late reply.. haven't been on in a while! To answer your question, the Army emailed me saying they needed to coordinate with me in order to get my first reevaluation done for my TDRL status. I replied and simply included in the email that the VA had just done a reevaluation on me (I told them that simply because I wasn't sure if they needed that information or not). They replied and said I might not need to have a reevaluation done by the Army and they might be able to just use the VA's (so I assumed they didn't even know the VA did theirs until I told them). When they contact you or when you find out you're getting your DoD reevaluation, I would just let them know the VA just did one on you (even if it's been months since it was done). If the VA reevaluation kept your VA rating the same (or increased it), it would probably only help your Army eval.

At the time, I was only going through the VA for mental health treatment (about as much as your saying). I'm going through a civilian provider now, but as Warrior644 said, definitely let your PEBLO know this and ensure they tell you where/how to give them copies of those records.

Just to add.. I was discharged from the Army in Alabama on TDRL and moved to Washington state. I didn't even know that my PEBLO (or that I even had one once I was out) was now at Ft. Lewis. So when you start getting info on your reevaluation you should find out who your PEBLO is (if changed). My PEBLO actually was the one that contacted me and told me that they will probably only need my VA reevaluation for my Army one.
 
So how are people getting "reevaluated" by the VA? Are they getting new CP exams after they get out?
 
tony292 said:
So how are people getting "reevaluated" by the VA? Are they getting new CP exams after they get out?
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Indeed, in my particular situation for PTSD after seven-months from being placed on DoD military TDRL, the VBA sub-contracted QTC Medical Services to perform my re-examination via the "Review Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) Disability Benefits Questionnaire."

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
tony292 said:
So how are people getting "reevaluated" by the VA? Are they getting new CP exams after they get out?
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My view is that they are not being reevaluated by the VA (in total contravention of the regulations requiring this....in the vast majority of cases where I have fought this issue and raised it, the PEB has folded by either maintaining the member on TDRL or by giving a "revised" finding that was acceptable to my client....I think this is a HUGE issue and that the Military Departments are playing "dirty pool" and are trying to not comply with the regulations on this point).
 
Jason- this is the same reason why I am fighting not to be put into TDRL.
 
Just got a phone call from the Army about TDRL. They updated my contact info and said that the board will review my case to stay on TDRL or be placed on PDRL within 6 months. But sounds like they will use the information from the VA from my last review with them. So I hope I get placed on PDRL.
 
ironpirate83 said:
Just got a phone call from the Army about TDRL. They updated my contact info and said that the board will review my case to stay on TDRL or be placed on PDRL within 6 months. But sounds like they will use the information from the VA from my last review with them. So I hope I get placed on PDRL.
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Good deal; hmm, it seems that HQ USAPDA is being more "proactive" these days in reference to its military disabled personnel whom were placed on the DoD TDRL! :D

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer."

Best Wishes!
 
Just got placed on PDRL. I feel like I can move on with my life now.
 
ironpirate83 said:
Just got placed on PDRL. I feel like I can move on with my life now.
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_______________________________***:D*** Happy New Year! ***:D***________________________________

Indeed, this is outstanding news; congratulations! :) Enjoy life! :cool:

Thus, I quite often comment that "possessing well-informed knowledge is truly a powerful equalizer!"

Best Wishes!
 
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