I finally signed my AF Form 1180. Was given 80%DOD and 90% VA. I have 32 days of leave, 20 days of ptdy (already approved by commander), and then I'll have 15 days of outprocessing. Is there any way that my leadership can force me to pay back my leave instead of me taking all of my terminal leave? Last week my supervisor told me that the commander was only going to approve me to take 14 days of terminal. But today I found out my supervisor lied to the commander and told him I only have 14 days of terminal leave. My supervisor was originally under the impression that the projected day I would get out is 90 days after I signed this form and that I would have time to burn the rest of my leave instead of taking the full terminal leave at once. Anyways, I signed a paper today that my PEBLO is sending up to AFPC that says I have the terminal and ptdy. From what I understand, is that my orders will be projected out with those three things in mind (terminal 32, ptdy 20, outprocessing 15), which equals 67 days. After I get my orders, I believe I put my terminal and ptdy into leaveweb. If my commander was to deny my terminal leave and make me only take 14 days of terminal, I would then be forced to work those 18 days (32 minus 14 days) and get paid back for my leave, so I then end up losing money. Is this possible for the commander to deny my terminal leave and could I fight this? Sorry if this whole thing is confusing! I'm just not understanding the terminal leave thing, because my biggest fear is paying it back.
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Out-processing is not leave.
You last day of duty will be followed by your PTDY and terminal leave. Remeber you will earn leave while on PTDY/Terminal.
You last day of duty will be followed by your PTDY and terminal leave. Remeber you will earn leave while on PTDY/Terminal.
Correct, but I need to put into leaveweb the terminal and ptdy and the commander has to approve it. This is after I get my orders. The commander thinks I only have 14 days of leave, so he will be surprised (I assume) when he sees that I actually have 32. My concern is that the commander will deny my 32 days of leave and then make me put it back into Leaveweb as 14 days. So I would then have to get paid back for the 18 days. I’m wondering if leadership can force me to sell my leave or if I can take it as terminal. I’ve looked in the AFI but I don’t see anything about this. I just don’t want to lose money by getting paid back for leave days.
Why not talk to your leadership? Explain the situation and maybe your commander won't see it as a big deal. Your commander does not have to approve leave. So it's better to get out in front of this now if you are so worried.
Because my leadership only cares about the mission and not about what the airman wants or what benefits them. Basically my supervisor lied to my commander on Friday and told him I only have 14 days of leave. That afternoon my supervisor came up to me and told me the commander will only approve 14 days of leave. Today when I signed my form with the disability rating on it, my PEBLO told me that she talked to the commander and he said I only have 14 days and he was told that by my supervisor, which is how I found out about the lie. So basically what’s possibly going to happen is I’m going to have no choice but to sell back most of my leave, which is what I’m wondering if that’s allowed. If they can force you to sell it back. Because by doing that, I am not receiving nearly as much as I would get on terminal leave, and my leadership could care less. The first sergeant is in my flight so I can’t go to him about it either. So that’s why I’m on here because idk who else to ask.
Yes, they can force you to sell back leave I believe. Everyday that you are on leave is another day you are on their books taking up a slot. Not condoning that, but saying it like it is. As mentioned, I would talk to your leadership to explain your reasoning behind taking leave vs selling. Additionally, make sure that taking leave is the truly beneficial thing to do. If you sell leave, you won't get housing allowance for those days, but if your BAH is less than your VA disability, it is worth selling back.
If you stay on AD until the last day published in your retirement orders, you get paid all your additional benefits (bah, bas). Then if you sell back your leave, you only get your base pay.
The thing is that you only get 90 days after your orders to be retire/done/gtfo the military. Use as much of that 90 days to get your life straight, as much as you can while NOT burning your leave (burn anything over 60 days). You get paid everything(base, bah, bas) until that 90th day when they MAKE you retire. Cash in ALL that leave and get one or two months of ADDITIONAL base based on the leave you had saved up in addition to collection everything for those last 90 days.
If you don’t have a job/something to rush to, burning all your leave and not selling it back makes you miss out on some additional money in a medical retirement.
20+ year regular retirement is a different story bc you are picking the retirement date vs the set one in the MEB retirement.
The thing is that you only get 90 days after your orders to be retire/done/gtfo the military. Use as much of that 90 days to get your life straight, as much as you can while NOT burning your leave (burn anything over 60 days). You get paid everything(base, bah, bas) until that 90th day when they MAKE you retire. Cash in ALL that leave and get one or two months of ADDITIONAL base based on the leave you had saved up in addition to collection everything for those last 90 days.
If you don’t have a job/something to rush to, burning all your leave and not selling it back makes you miss out on some additional money in a medical retirement.
20+ year regular retirement is a different story bc you are picking the retirement date vs the set one in the MEB retirement.
The best time that you use terminal leave is before you retire from active duty, or before your expiration term of service or ETS. Remember that you are only eligible to sell back upon retirement and only with an honorable discharge and just sell 60 days from your entire military career.
18 more days won’t hurt them.
Just so I understand this, maybe do it Barney Style, but you're saying
Once you receive the order to separate, use the time to set up the landing spot/get things together - do not take any terminal leave, rather sell your leave?
I'm trying to have a job lined up before I separate so that I can use terminal leave to PTFO, do whatever I want, etc. Is this not advisable with what you're saying?