Whats the odds?

breamo

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So I am being MEB'd for neck, and spine issues, as well as Sleep apnea. My commander letter and all other recommendations are for me to be medically retired. Is it pretty much a sure thing then?

Also I heard Sleep Apnea is 50 percent right off the top....will that be enought to get me the "retired" or will they only rate the neck and spine. Thank you so much for any input!


Breamo
 
They should rate all unfitting conditions.
 
Not even close to a sure thing.

First, the PEB has to find the condition unfitting. Then you must get a PEB rating of 30% or more on the unfitting conditions. If they PEB does not think you are worthy of disability retirement, they simply cherry-pick which conditions to deem unfitting to keep the PEB rating below 30%. Dollar to bet a donut the PEB will find your other conditions unfitting with a rating of less than 30% and will find your sleep apnea not to be unfitting to avoid the 50% rating requirement and disability retirement.

I am currently assisting a soldier with very severe sleep apnea. This condition has caused CENTCOM to ban him from deploying to the theater and resulted in a permanent profile from his doctor banning him from carrying and firing weapons, driving military vehicles and performing any guard duty due safety concerns driving by excessive daytime sleepiness.

His doctor has explained to the PEB that his condition is not responsive to surgery, CPAP or drug therapy. His PMOS is an aircraft electrician, a job you must get right or people die; there is no room for error because of physical and mental fatigue due to a lack of quality sleep. Due to safety issues, he should not work on helicopters just like he has been banned from carrying and firing weapons and driving military vehicles. His PEB does not give a rat’s ass about any such evidence of unfitness and are maintaining a fit finding to avoid disability benefits. The soldier is scheduled to be administratively discharged if the PEB continues a fit finding due to the impact of this condition on his performance.

The PEB continues to hold that this condition is not unfitting and the PEB is clearly finding him fit to avoid paying any disability benefits. Trust me, the Disability Evaluation System does not have your best interest at heart. Rather they have the budget and restraining disability costs as their driving motivation. The disability laws and policies that protect the interest of the woounded warrior are simply ignore and there is no penalty for doing so.

Go ahead, take them to court. If you win some years later they merely have to pay what they should have paid to begin with years ago. Very few have the legs and resources to fight the issues in court and again there is no penalty to the PEB for improperly adjudicating disability cases. They simply deny until a court tells them they must pay and very few have the ability to carry on a fight at that level.

This is a very great business model for those who care about the budget much more than wounded warriors and has proven to be very effective at keeping disability cost down. Right now, disability retirement costs to DoD are less than they were in 2000 despite the massive amount of casualties from the GWOT. The number of disability retirees was well over 102,000 in 2000. That number has dropped to around 86,000 by the end 2008 even as our forces are getting shot and bombed to pieces in fighting across the globe. For years the DoD disability retirement budget has remained flat at about $1.2 billion a year and PEB’s simply ignore laws and regulations to keep the costs at that level. Disability costs threaten operations and acqusistion budgets and DoD will simply not let that happen.

Mike
 
Mike,

Right now, disability retirement costs to DoD are less than they were in 2000 despite the massive amount of casualties from the GWOT. The number of disability retirees was well over 102,000 in 2000. That number has dropped to around 86,000 by the end 2008 even as our forces are getting shot and bombed to pieces in fighting across the globe.
That is a disturbing piece of information. But what really gets me is the blaring discrepancy that this piece of information represents - I assume you have already brought this to the attention of DoD/Congress, they had nothing to say about it? (Aside from what you already explained about their unwillingness to jeopardize their ops/acquisition budgets)?

Apologies for going off topic.
 
Thank you so much for the info, I have a feeling as well that they will not want to rate me on the sleep apnea so they can just give me Severance pay. I am an E-5 with what will be 11 years in after this is over.

So either way I will be ok with the retirement or the 60-70k to give me a jumpstart on my civilian life. This forum is great and I have sent many of my friends here and they seem to always find what they are looking for....thank you all for what you do!

Breamo
 
Keep in mind that if you take the severence, that will be deducted from your VA determination until the severence is paid off. That would be great to kick start your civilian life and make sure that if you do not have a degree to apply for vocational rehabilitation through the VA once you get your rating back! This would be a degree for free and you can just use the severence to live off of. I am not saying that you shouldn't take the severence but some people think that they get the severence as well as a monthly check from the VA and that will not be the case.

Just like to make sure that all Soldiers are fully informed in order to make the best decisions for them and their families.

Take care and the best of luck to you.
 
Keep in mind that if you take the severence, that will be deducted from your VA determination until the severence is paid off.
Just for clarity's sake - if one's conditions are combat-related (and so designated by the IPEB/FPEB) and the servicemember is separated with severance, then the severance pay is not recouped upon receipt of VA compensation.

As for Voc Rehab versus Post 9/11 G.I. Bill, the benefits have their ups and downs based on the individual Veteran. As of right now, the great upside to the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill is the monthly BAH payment which is on average $1500 per month (it is based on the local zip code of the school for an E-5 w/ dependents, thus this rate is around $2800/month for NYC and about $1300 for the Knoxville, TN area - as an example) - this is a huge advantage to the relatively smaller payment from Voc Rehab of $550ish per month (static rate). There has been talk of raising the monthly rate for Voc Rehab to be more consistent with that of the Post 9/11 G.I. Bill. If that does occur, then I think Voc Rehab with its 48 months of eligibility (compared to the G.I. Bill's 36 months) would be the better benefit.
 
Good point, forgot about the combat relatated issue. Thank you!

Post 9/11 GI Bill has wonderful benefits

Voc Rehab is 48 months or until your degree is complete. Keep in mind too that there are added benefits to Voc Rehab like if you wear glasses, you get a free pair a year and you get dental coverage while you are using voc rehab. Other benefits are that they will supply and books you will everything you need to go to school....lap top, printer, ink, paper and other supplies that is required. There are no out of pocket expenses for this. It would be good if they bring it up to roughly the same as the post 9/11 GI Bill.
 
Just for further clarity,
The enhanced severance pay law uses the terms “combat zone” and “Combat Related Operations”. This is not the same as “combat related”. If you blow out your knee playing basketball in the Green Zone gym, your severance is not recouped. If you blow out your knee on a stateside, nighttime, combat training parachute drop, your severance is still recouped. A recent article on this issue can be found here.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/dec/28/pentagon-limits-laws-pledge-to-wounded/

Mike
 
Great answer MAPARKER and let me add my two cents. Neck and spine: you name it, I've got it. Latest was a cervical fusion and discectomy with plates and screws in my neck followed by another surgery to remove a disk fragment a year later. Range of motion <30 degrees looking down. My disability rating: 0 percent.
 
Thank you all for the info! So you had all that done and they rated you at 0? But you still got the severance correct?

On a side note...with basically everyone recommending them to medically retire me( or basically seperate me) is it pretty much going to be that the board stays with those recommendations? Or do they like to go against the grain lol.

Thank you again!

Breamo
 
That was my DOD rating...or lack thereof.
 
I'm still on active duty, but applied with the VA six months ago, got a letter of acknowledgement, but that's the last I've heard from them.
 
My case went to MEB, to IPEB, then PEB. Today the PEB announced they're returning it to the MEB. 17 months already <sigh>
 
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