Chapter 61 (disability retirement) CRSC entitlement

RonG said:
Hello,

Sorry for the delay; watching the Olympics has disrupted my sleep schedule. The VA info I requested is missing.

Anyway…

a. 3765 x 70% = 2635.50 retired pay
b. Total VA amount per earlier message = 2447
c. 2635.50 ret pay minus 2447 = 188.50 residual retired pay
d. 9.67 AD Equivalent x 2.5% = 24.18% longevity multiplier
e. 3765 x 24.18% = 910.38 hypothetical longevity amount which without having the precise dependent info can obviously show the longevity is less than 70% in the VA comp tables
f. The VA pays = all your VA compensation
g. DFAS will pay 188.50 residual retired pay
AND
910.38 minus 188.50 = 721.88 CRSC

Based on your information.

Ron
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Thanks Ron!
 
if you apply for CRSC, and you have submit a VA disability Wavier and have full retired 20+ year pay, do you lose your VA rating if 100% or all your va compensation
because of CRSC. Ive read the website of DFAS but language is just confusing to me
 
salazartony11 said:
if you apply for CRSC, and you have submit a VA disability Wavier and have full retired 20+ year pay, do you lose your VA rating if 100% or all your va compensation
because of CRSC. Ive read the website of DFAS but language is just confusing to me
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The “VA disability waiver” is a selection to waive retired pay in the amount of the VA in certain circumstances, such as not being eligible for Concurrent Military Retirement Pay and DVA Disability Compensation, which
has replaced the term, “CRDP”.

You must do the same for CRSC. The waiver only impacts retired pay, it does not reduce VA compensation. Again, Receipt of CRSC does not reduce VA compensation.

Ron
 
salazartony11 said:
if you apply for CRSC, and you have submit a VA disability Wavier and have full retired 20+ year pay, do you lose your VA rating if 100% or all your va compensation
because of CRSC. Ive read the website of DFAS but language is just confusing to me
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Just a FYI. You are maxed out on gross compensation. CRSC is mostly for those who didn't hit 20 years and so their VA offsets their pension. You might eke out a bit more net compensation due to CRSC being tax exempt but you would need 100% CRSC to match you 100% VA. The reason for this is because you can't get both concurrent receipt of VA pay and CRSC at the same time. If your CRSC is less you wont want it as your net pay would be less than just staying with what you got.
 
RonG said:
Hello,

Sorry for the delay; watching the Olympics has disrupted my sleep schedule. The VA info I requested is missing.

Anyway…

a. 3765 x 70% = 2635.50 retired pay
b. Total VA amount per earlier message = 2447
c. 2635.50 ret pay minus 2447 = 188.50 residual retired pay
d. 9.67 AD Equivalent x 2.5% = 24.18% longevity multiplier
e. 3765 x 24.18% = 910.38 hypothetical longevity amount which without having the precise dependent info can obviously show the longevity is less than 70% in the VA comp tables
f. The VA pays = all your VA compensation
g. DFAS will pay 188.50 residual retired pay
AND
910.38 minus 188.50 = 721.88 CRSC

Based on your information.

Ron
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I could use a hand figuring out some of this.
VA 100%
Army 80%
Retirement pay is $3320
VA is 4100
Retirement pay sheet shows a $2217 VA waiver (idk what that means)
15 years total
11 active
 
Moldrem02 said:
I could use a hand figuring out some of this.
VA 100%
Army 80%
Retirement pay is $3320
VA is 4100
Retirement pay sheet shows a $2217 VA waiver (idk what that means)
15 years total
11 active
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Give this page a try, seems to be pretty good from the feedback I've seen - crsc calculator | crsc
 
I was medically discharged on march 2 2008 chapter 61. Section 1405 combined service is 8 yr, 6 mo, 7 days. The out processed me as an E6 at 30 % ptsd. I fell into a Sabo class action law suite that said it was illegal to do that. A fed judge reversed all that and changed it to trdl for 6 month 60 % and prdl at 20%. I get crsc and 100 % VA. A dd215 was put in in in 2013 changing rank from retired E6 to O-2E. I lost my commission due to education reasons for the captians board. I was passed over twice, but i did later finish my 4 yr degree one month before i was deployed as an E6 to iraq in dec of 2005. For some reason that dd215, never made it to dfas until last week. Question: Is this going to make my crsc go up since there will be a greater difference in retired pay?
 
lloyd said:
I was medically discharged on march 2 2008 chapter 61. Section 1405 combined service is 8 yr, 6 mo, 7 days. The out processed me as an E6 at 30 % ptsd. I fell into a Sabo class action law suite that said it was illegal to do that. A fed judge reversed all that and changed it to trdl for 6 month 60 % and prdl at 20%. I get crsc and 100 % VA. A dd215 was put in in in 2013 changing rank from retired E6 to O-2E. I lost my commission due to education reasons for the captians board. I was passed over twice, but i did later finish my 4 yr degree one month before i was deployed as an E6 to iraq in dec of 2005. For some reason that dd215, never made it to dfas until last week. Question: Is this going to make my crsc go up since there will be a greater difference in retired pay?
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If 20% you would not be retired. You can only get CRSC if you are retired. If all of the information you stated is correct you would only be allowed CRSC for the 6 month period that you were TDRL at 60%. Even for that 6 months of TDRL you would have to calculate if your 60% of your high 3 was lesser than the combination of your VA compensation + earned longevity pension at 8 years, 6 months & 7 days. If your TDRL chapter 61 pension amount was higher than you don't qualify for any CRSC. If its lower than you can get CRSC for the difference.

I am hoping there is a typo since it sounds like you are stating you were medically retired. However if you were medically discharged then there is no CRSC that you can get except for the time you were TDRL.
 
lloyd said:
I was medically discharged on march 2 2008 chapter 61. Section 1405 combined service is 8 yr, 6 mo, 7 days. The out processed me as an E6 at 30 % ptsd. I fell into a Sabo class action law suite that said it was illegal to do that. A fed judge reversed all that and changed it to trdl for 6 month 60 % and prdl at 20%. I get crsc and 100 % VA. A dd215 was put in in in 2013 changing rank from retired E6 to O-2E. I lost my commission due to education reasons for the captians board. I was passed over twice, but i did later finish my 4 yr degree one month before i was deployed as an E6 to iraq in dec of 2005. For some reason that dd215, never made it to dfas until last week. Question: Is this going to make my crsc go up since there will be a greater difference in retired pay?
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Concur with what @Provis stated above, if you're 20% that would mean you're separated with severance pay. As Provis said, hopefully that was a typo and you ended up with at least 30%. If that's the case, then yes, it could potentially increase your length of service cap being that you were under 20 years AFS.
 
lloyd said:
Ok..this is complicated. Dd214 discharged march 2 2008 on 30 % ptsd with a severance check...done...not quite. Sabo vs united states ptsd, Google it. A fed judge found it illegal to medically discharge on ptsd for less the 50%. Sabo reversed it to grdl 60% ptsd 6 months with pdrl @20%. Now, to add to that they retired me at E-6..mistake, in 2013 a dd215 changed these blocks with Sabo and rank to my dd214..(and yes I get crsc not 20% retired) I'll go thru blocks changed.
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remove your pics ASAP as you're putting your SSN out there for anyone to see. Redact and resubmit.
 
lloyd said:
I was medically retired forced by a class action suite..it's not really complicated. I do get.crsc, it's garnished but it's 929 crsc according to " my pay" with a SBP" GARNISHMENT OF 134. My retired pay before offset is 2,198. The garnishment is unjust. The sabo class action law suite took 2-3 yrs for correction to reverse. I never got paid 6 months 60% tdrl. Dfas never got my outprocessing to opt out of sbp..because they thought at time I was discharged. soooo..Sabo changed. Discharged to retired. Deleted severance verbage from dd214. Taken off trdl 6 months after. I called dfas about a 20,000 sbp debt that's being . BY LAW , SINCE DFAS NEVER GOT OPT OUT, WHEN THEY GOT RETIRED ORDERS, THEY JUST ADDED UP ALL THE SBP PREMIUMS AND CREATED A DEBT. I'm working on all this over the last few years getting no where on debt. Finally dfas got a dd215 that was effective and disbursed in 2013...I never got a copy and neither did dfas until last week. I do have a total of 24 YOS..MIX guard and Active.
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You've posted your SSN twice, please remove and redact those images.

Also, now that you mentioned that you have your 20-year letter, then it kinda makes sense as they put you into the retired reserves, but I still cannot see you getting CRSC until 60 as you were retired in lieu of severance pay. I was a PEBLO during that timeframe, so saw many folks who were originally separated with severance pay when they should have been TDRL at 50%. Also, you wouldn't have gotten paid for that TDRL time either as I'm sure your VA was more, it's one or the other so if you were getting your VA comp at the time, then you would not have gotten your TDRL pay, esp at 60% as an O2E.

Considering my extensive background both dealing with APDES, IDES, and post DD-214, I still say someone screwed up, but, I'm not DFAS so there's probably something in the FMR that talks to this circumstance. With that, congrats and you might be seeing some more as it'll bump up your length of service cap.
 
lloyd said:
I was medically retired forced by a class action suite..it's not really complicated. I do get.crsc, it's garnished but it's 929 crsc according to " my pay" with a SBP" GARNISHMENT OF 134. My retired pay before offset is 2,198. The garnishment is unjust. The sabo class action law suite took 2-3 yrs for correction to reverse. I never got paid 6 months 60% tdrl. Dfas never got my outprocessing to opt out of sbp..because they thought at time I was discharged. soooo..Sabo changed. Discharged to retired. Deleted severance verbage from dd214. Taken off trdl 6 months after. I called dfas about a 20,000 sbp debt that's being . BY LAW , SINCE DFAS NEVER GOT OPT OUT, WHEN THEY GOT RETIRED ORDERS, THEY JUST ADDED UP ALL THE SBP PREMIUMS AND CREATED A DEBT. I'm working on all this over the last few years getting no where on debt. Finally dfas got a dd215 that was effective and disbursed in 2013...I never got a copy and neither did dfas until last week. I do have a total of 24 YOS..MIX guard and Active.
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This 21 page document explains the sabo class action and what a cluster it was from March of 2008 to 2010 when branch outprocessed me as discharged instead of retired. That why my outprocessing was geared for discharge, SBP I never got a chance to opt out, and all the confusion. Calling Dfas multiple times on hold from the Philippines, (where I retired) being on hold for 2-3 hours didn't have any of the I perms from branch. Not even the 2013 dd215 rank correction. None of the crsc amount I get nor the % make any sense to me. I think crsc used YOS E6 instead of section 1405 cumulative with guard points ÷ 360 to get the section 1405 yrs. I really don't know. But again, my pay
 

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RetiredColonel-MikeT said:
You've posted your SSN twice, please remove and redact those images.

Also, now that you mentioned that you have your 20-year letter, then it kinda makes sense as they put you into the retired reserves, but I still cannot see you getting CRSC until 60 as you were retired in lieu of severance pay. I was a PEBLO during that timeframe, so saw many folks who were originally separated with severance pay when they should have been TDRL at 50%. Also, you wouldn't have gotten paid for that TDRL time either as I'm sure your VA was more, it's one or the other so if you were getting your VA comp at the time, then you would not have gotten your TDRL pay, esp at 60% as an O2E.

Considering my extensive background both dealing with APDES, IDES, and post DD-214, I still say someone screwed up, but, I'm not DFAS so there's probably something in the FMR that talks to this circumstance. With that, congrats and you might be seeing some more as it'll bump up your length of service cap.
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I'm trying to delete screen shots, how do I do that?..I can later go back and blot out ss #
 
lloyd said:
I was medically retired forced by a class action suite..it's not really complicated. I do get.crsc, it's garnished but it's 929 crsc according to " my pay" with a SBP" GARNISHMENT OF 134. My retired pay before offset is 2,198. The garnishment is unjust. The sabo class action law suite took 2-3 yrs for correction to reverse. I never got paid 6 months 60% tdrl. Dfas never got my outprocessing to opt out of sbp..because they thought at time I was discharged. soooo..Sabo changed. Discharged to retired. Deleted severance verbage from dd214. Taken off trdl 6 months after. I called dfas about a 20,000 sbp debt that's being . BY LAW , SINCE DFAS NEVER GOT OPT OUT, WHEN THEY GOT RETIRED ORDERS, THEY JUST ADDED UP ALL THE SBP PREMIUMS AND CREATED A DEBT. I'm working on all this over the last few years getting no where on debt. Finally dfas got a dd215 that was effective and disbursed in 2013...I never got a copy and neither did dfas until last week. I do have a total of 24 YOS..MIX guard and Active.
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Can the admin of the page delete those, I click on the ss # screen shots and I can't find any delete
 
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