Request for CRSC Calculation

Oh wow, thank you for that explanation and your answer in the other thread!

So much for my dreams for a huge backpay check lol!

I had no idea about point B regarding the REDUX plan.

Also I have a VA waiver of 447 coming out of my retirement check every month, isn’t that to do with CRDP? Point D has me wondering if that should be coming out?

Thanks again, really appreciate you.
 
Hello @AFgirl2012

Thank you for your reply. The REDUX with disability retirement situation is seen so infrequently that I have to re-educate myself every time I see one.
The portion of the answer I provided you that indicated Disability Retirees would not be affected by the REDUX is accurate when applied to the computation of the retired pay.
That part of my answer was a precise quotation from DFAS.

However, your remarks today reminded me of a DFAS determination of seven years ago on another board where I answered CRSC/CRDP questions, I am the person that requested my colleague "pin" the reply from DFAS for future reference. His summary follows:

[start with the summary moved to the top]
Answer:
The CRDP dollar amount is based on the 40% REDUX retirement. If you would like an audit of your account or have any further questions they may be directed in writing to:

Defense Finance and Accounting Service
U.S. Military Retired Pay
8899 E 56th Street
Indianapolis IN 46249-1200
My understanding on Concurrent receipt, as it applies to CSB/REDUX retirees who have been medically retired, is that the amount paid by either CRSC or CRDP is calculated based on the reduced REDUX multiplier calculation in order to comply with the concurrent receipt restriction found in 10 USC 1414 (b)(1). The premise for the 1414(b)(1) restriction is that any military medical retired pay which is in excess of that earned for years of service is de facto payment for the disability and duplicative of the VA payment for disability.

For those readers not familiar. Redux directs a reduction of 1% in the result of the 2.5% x years of service calculation
for each year that the retirement is less than 30 years of service. This results in 40% of base pay at 20 years of service, 57 ½ % at 25 years of service, but the full 75% at 30 and 100% for 40 years of service. After retirement, the annual COLA is also reduced by 1% each year but, there is a recomputation at age 62 when both the multiplier and COLA are adjusted to equal the “High Three” system.

The amount of the military medical disability retirement is calculated, under Method B, using the 2.5% x years of service multiplier without regard for the REDUX provisions as the law governing medical retirements directs this calculation. Method A uses the percentage disability assigned to unfitting conditions to calculate medical retirement. The member gets the higher of the two methods.

Consider a medical retiree who did not opt in to CSB/REDUX and has 20 years of service who is medically retired at 70% of base pay based on Method A. His CRDP is restricted to no more than his longevity retirement - 50% of retirement base . An identical retiree who took REDUX, would also be restricted to no more than his longevity retirement - which is 40% of retirement base .

I would not be surprised if DFAS calculated it differently than I beleive was intended under 1414 but the language and intent of the code is as clear as code gets.

I addressed this issue to DFAS and the response from DFAS, received in October 2015, was:

Question:

A recurring question that I see on various veteran websites concerns how CRDP is calculated when a veteran with more than 20 years service has been retired under Chapter 61 but previously opted for the REDUX system.

When the VA disablity compensation exceeds the chapter 61 retirement amount, is the amount restored by CRDP calculated at the reduced REDUX retirement factor or at the 2.5% per year of service rate used for Chapter 61 purposes?

For example, a retiree has 20 years service and DOD disability finding of 30% disability. The retiree is retired at 50% based on 2.5% per year of service IAW chapter 61. All of his retirement is offset by his VA compensation. His REDUX retirement would be 40%. Is CRDP dollar amount based on the 40% or the 50% factor?

Answer:
The CRDP dollar amount is based on the 40% REDUX retirement. If you would like an audit of your account or have any further questions they may be directed in writing to:


Defense Finance and Accounting Service
U.S. Military Retired Pay
8899 E 56th Street
Indianapolis IN 46249-1200


It was suggested that I pin this material as a reference for those medical retirees who had opted into the REDUX retirement option. [end].

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Ron
 
Hello @AFgirl2012
cc: @Provis

Shown below is the reason/formula that explains the 422 reduction/waiver of CRDP due to receipt of REDUX

Computation of CRDP with REDUX,

1. New Info: Gross 2365; VA waiver 422 (there are other deductions)
2. Your active duty time is 20 years and 9 months 19 days
3. Your active duty of 20.75 years x 2.5% = 51.88% longevity multiplier. 2365 gross/51.88% = 4558.60 high three
4. Amount of reduction (VA waiver) due to REDUX = 422
5. Redux directs a reduction of 1% in the result of the 2.5% x years of service calculation for each year that the retirement is less than 30 years of service.
6. 30 years minus 20.75 = 9.25 years reduction for REDUX.
7. Percent multiplier reduced by:

  • 1 percent for each full year of creditable service less than 30, and
  • 1/12th of 1 percent for each full month of creditable service less than a full year.
  • This case: 9 full years and 3 months = 9 and 3/12: 9.25% reduction
  • 4558.60 high three x 9.25% reduction due to REDUX = ~422 shown as VA waiver
Sorry for the delay...nice exercise for me though...

Ron
 
Hi, so after calling dfas because I could not log on to my pay to confirm my gross pay. I was told that since I am not receiving any pay due to the va offset I cannot access mypay?

The lady on the phone told me my gross pay was $1879, which is what’s on my annual statement.

That is at 40% dod when I left.

According to the lady I talked to at the air force personnel my time for active service is 4 years 6 months 18 days. She initially said 4 but when I said there was a 4 yr 6 mo … she said I guess?

So my rating for crsc is 60%, 40%dod, 100% va wife 4 kids.

What I did off of the dfas site,
$4697 high 3 x .40= $1878

4.5 yrs x 2.5 = .1125

$4697 high 3 x .1125= $528

$1878-$528 = $1350 offset.

Va@60% $1572 - offset $1350 = $222 crsc.

The excel calculator confirms $528 but is missing the final pay with offset calculation.

The lady at the air force crsc office said she has been there 16 years and have no clue how the calculation works.
 
Hello @Ivorytower

Is the info in your post offered to help others? I don't see a question.

You said:

So my rating for crsc is 60%, 40%dod, 100% va wife 4 kids.

What I did off of the dfas site,
$4697 high 3 x .40= $1878

4.5 yrs x 2.5 = .1125

$4697 high 3 x .1125= $528

I agree with all that is in BOLD. --RonG
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$1878-$528 = $1350 offset.
No, the VA offset is 1878 minus 3000+ VA compensation = zero retired pay remaining RonG

Va@60% $1572 - offset $1350 = $222 crsc. You said your VA was 100% which is 3000+ RonG
If you are showing the CRSC at 60%, it does not apply since it is more than the ceiling of the longevity portion of retired pay. RonG


The excel calculator confirms $528 but is missing the final pay with offset calculation. It is missing because it does not exist. RonG

Bottom line:
1. Your retired pay is reduced to zero due to the amount of VA comp
2. You will receive 3000+ from the VA for VA comp
3. You will receive 528 from DFAS as CRSC

This summary is based on the info you provided.


Ron
 
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Hello Ron,
Can you please give me an estimation?
Retired under CH 61: Medical Retirement

Gross Retirement Pay : 3134
DoD Retirement: 100%
Yrs/ Mos Active Duty: 7yrs/1mos
VA Percentage/Compensation with SMC K: 100% / $ 4169 - Spouse & 1 child.
Projected CRSC: 100%
 
Hello Ron,
Can you please give me an estimation?
Retired under CH 61: Medical Retirement

Gross Retirement Pay : 3134
DoD Retirement: 100%
Yrs/ Mos Active Duty: 7yrs/1mos
VA Percentage/Compensation with SMC K: 100% / $ 4169 - Spouse & 1 child.
Projected CRSC: 100%
Hello @Le1234

Based on the info you provided:

1. 3134/75% =4178.66 average high three base pay
2. 7.083 (7 yrs 1 mo) x 2.5% = 17.7% longevity multiplier (provided your retirement orders show 7 yr 1 mo under: "Disability Retirement"--about 3/4 down on first page)
3. 4178.66 x 17.7% = 739.62 longevity portion of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling
4. If your actual CRSC approval percentage is an amount shown in the VA comp tables less than amt at item 3, it will be the CRSC. Otherwise and most likely, your CRSC will be 739.62 based on the info you provided.

Ron
 
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Hello @Le1234

Based on the info you provided:

1. 3134/75% =4178.66 average high three base pay
2. 7.083 (7 yrs 1 mo) x 2.5% = 17.7% longevity multiplier (provided your retirement orders show 7 yr 1 mo under: "Disability Retirement"--about 3/4 down on first page)
3. 4178.66 x 17.7% = 739.62 longevity portion of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling
4. If your actual CRSC approval percentage is an amount shown in the VA comp tables less than amt at item 3, it will be the CRSC. Otherwise and most likely, your CRSC will be 739.62 based on the info you provided.

Ron
Thank you sir!
 
@Le1234

Glad we could help.

Ron
 
Request for CRSC calculation. I am getting a lot of conflicting information, so trying to figure out if applying for CRSC is necessary. Not all of my DoD disability is V1/V3.

1.--Average high three for basic pay: $8606 (estimated)
2.--DoD disability percentage: 80% (two conditions rated at 40% & 30% identified as V1/V3) PDRL
3. --Active duty years and months 11 Years & 9 Months
4. --VA compensation: 100%; $3746.20
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 70% (2 x V1/V3 and 2 x presumption conditions)
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified
7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? No
8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? No
 
Hello @army1293

Case:

Request for CRSC calculation. I am getting a lot of conflicting information, so trying to figure out if applying for CRSC is necessary. Not all of my DoD disability is V1/V3.

1.--Average high three for basic pay: $8606 (estimated)
2.--DoD disability percentage: 80% (two conditions rated at 40% & 30% identified as V1/V3) PDRL
3. --Active duty years and months 11 Years & 9 Months
4. --VA compensation: 100%; $3746.20
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 70% (2 x V1/V3 and 2 x presumption conditions)
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified
7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? No
8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? No

Estimate:

a. 8606 x 75% = 6454.50 retired pay
b. 6454.50 minus 3746.20 = 2708.30 residual retired pay you keep
c. 11.75 AD x 2.5% = 29.38% longevity multiplier
d. 8606 x 29.38% = 2528.44 longevity amount of retired pay and a CRSC ceiling
e. Residual retired pay = 2708.30 which is more than longevity
f. The combination of residual retired pay and CRSC cannot exceed the longevity amount
g. CRSC = zero. DFAS will pay = 2708.30 residual VA will pay = 3746.20

Ron
 
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Hello Ron,

I was hoping you could help me figure out if I will qualify for CRSC. I submitted my packet and called to confirm it was received on 01MAR2022. I was informed I would receive a letter 20 days after. However, I never received a letter and when I called to ask where the letter was, I was told the letter was just explaining my packet was received and would take 60 days to process. I called again on 01MAY2022 to ask for a status and was told it was now 60 business days. Below are estimates on my case.
1.--Average high three for basic pay: $6,200 (estimated)
2.--DoD disability percentage: 60%
3. --Active duty years and months 7 Years & 7 Months. (What DD214 says: did 3 years enlisted in the national guard, 6 years 7 months as an officer active duty).
4. --VA compensation: 100%; $3772.22
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 70%
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified
7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? No
8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? Yes
 
Hello Ron,

I was hoping you could help me figure out if I will qualify for CRSC. I submitted my packet and called to confirm it was received on 01MAR2022. I was informed I would receive a letter 20 days after. However, I never received a letter and when I called to ask where the letter was, I was told the letter was just explaining my packet was received and would take 60 days to process. I called again on 01MAY2022 to ask for a status and was told it was now 60 business days. Below are estimates on my case.
1.--Average high three for basic pay: $6,200 (estimated)
2.--DoD disability percentage: 60%
3. --Active duty years and months 7 Years & 7 Months. (What DD214 says: did 3 years enlisted in the national guard, 6 years 7 months as an officer active duty).
4. --VA compensation: 100%; $3772.22
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 70%
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified
7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? No
8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? Yes
Update:

Just checked my iperms and was approved for 60% CRSC as of today.
 
Update:

Just checked my iperms and was approved for 60% CRSC as of today.
I just saw this case. Give me 15-20 minutes and I will have an estimate for you.

Ron
 
Hello Ron,

I was hoping you could help me figure out if I will qualify for CRSC. I submitted my packet and called to confirm it was received on 01MAR2022. I was informed I would receive a letter 20 days after. However, I never received a letter and when I called to ask where the letter was, I was told the letter was just explaining my packet was received and would take 60 days to process. I called again on 01MAY2022 to ask for a status and was told it was now 60 business days. Below are estimates on my case.
1.--Average high three for basic pay: $6,200 (estimated)
2.--DoD disability percentage: 60%
3. --Active duty years and months 7 Years & 7 Months. (What DD214 says: did 3 years enlisted in the national guard, 6 years 7 months as an officer active duty).
4. --VA compensation: 100%; $3772.22
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 70% Actual = 60% RonG
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified
7.--Did you receive a REDUX/CSB payment? No
8.--Did you accept the Blended Retirement program option? Yes
Hello,

Estimate based on your info.

a. 6200 x 60% = 3720 retired pay; reduced to zero by amount of VA compensation. If you had provided your gross retired pay from recent DFAS RAS (probably Dec 2021; I could have used that for a precise high three)
b. Your active duty equivalent would be shown on your retirement orders 3/4 down on first page as "Disability Retirement"
c. AD equivalent per your comments: 7.58 x 2.5% = 18.95% longevity multiplier
d. 6200 x 18.95% = ~1175 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC
e. CRSC = 1175 based on the info you provided.

Ron
 
Hello,

Estimate based on your info.

a. 6200 x 60% = 3720 retired pay; reduced to zero by amount of VA compensation. If you had provided your gross retired pay from recent DFAS RAS (probably Dec 2021; I could have used that for a precise high three)
b. Your active duty equivalent would be shown on your retirement orders 3/4 down on first page as "Disability Retirement"
c. AD equivalent per your comments: 7.58 x 2.5% = 18.95% longevity multiplier
d. 6200 x 18.95% = ~1175 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC
e. CRSC = 1175 based on the info you provided.

Ron
Thanks Ron.

DFAS RAS says $3733.00.

Also checked my retirement orders active duty equivalent under “Disability Retirement” says 7 years, 3 months, 6 days.

Thanks again for the help!
 
Thanks Ron.

DFAS RAS says $3733.00.

Also checked my retirement orders active duty equivalent under “Disability Retirement” says 7 years, 3 months, 6 days.

Thanks again for the help!
Hello,

REVISED Estimate based on your info.

3733/60% = 6221.66 did not make much diff

a. Retired pay= 3733 retired pay; reduced to zero by amount of VA compensation.
b. Your active duty equivalent would be shown on your retirement orders 3/4 down on first page as "Disability Retirement"
c. AD equivalent per your orders: 7.25 x 2.5% = 18.13% longevity multiplier
d. 6222 x 18.13% = 1128 longevity portion of retired pay and CRSC
e. CRSC = 1128 based on the info you provided.

Ron
 
@RonG Hoping for an estimate. My situation is slightly different, as I was medically retired following a parachute malfunction / broken back as an O-1 with 1.5 years of service.

1.--Gross DOD pay before VA waiver: $1353.00
2.--DoD disability percentage: 40%
3. --Active duty years and months : 1 year 4 months
4. --VA compensation: 80%: $1780
5.--Projected or approved CRSC percentage by your service: 40%
6.--Whether you qualify for another type retirement and whether you transitioned to the blended retirement system: Not qualified

** Also wondering, how long does it typically take to receive CRSC pay from decision letter ? Retroactive pay?

Thank you for the help, I appreciate it.
 
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