CRSC Pay Estimate

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Trevman2866

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Hey Ron,

Would love your help in estimating my CRSC pay. See below for info:

DOD Retired Pay: $4412
DOD Disability: 60%
High Three: $7353
Time in Service: 11 years, 3 months
CRSC Disability: 80%
Marital Status: Married - no kids
VA Disability: 100%
VA Monthly Pay: $4078.99 ($3946.25 + SMC of $132.74)

Thanks!
 
Of course, that amount will be IN your retired pay as non-taxable, and the remaining $1149 IS taxable
Hope that helps....of course, it's one vet to another...but time will tell...good luck
 
Thanks, Bill, when I was going through these calculations based on some of the other examples in the forum, I was getting around $1735 in CRSC pay due to the Longevity Pay equaling 2.5% * 11.25 YOS * $7353 = 28.125%*7353 = $2,068.03

Then $2,068 minus the residual retired pay of ($4412 - $4078) = $2,068 - $334 = $1734
 
Thanks JMATTK,

Ron, here is my attempt

$4412/.60 = $7353
Service Multiplier: 11 years, 3 months = 11.25
Longevity Pay = 11.25 * 7353 = $2068

80% VA Disability with Spouse = $2,161.01

I get the lesser amount of $2,068

Residual Pay = $4,412 - $4,079 = $333

CRSC Pay = $2,068 - $333 = $1,735
 
Trevman2866 said:
Hey Ron,

Would love your help in estimating my CRSC pay. See below for info:

DOD Retired Pay: $4412
DOD Disability: 60%
High Three: $7353
Time in Service: 11 years, 3 months
CRSC Disability: 80%
Marital Status: Married - no kids
VA Disability: 100%
VA Monthly Pay: $4078.99 ($3946.25 + SMC of $132.74)

Thanks!
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Hello @Trevman2866

1. 4422 ret pay minus 4079 = 333 residual retired pay

2. 4412/60% = 7353 high three

3. Active duty equivalent 11.25 yrs x 2.5% (2% for blended retirement) = 28.13% longevity multiplier

4. 7353 x 28.13% = 2068 longevity amt

5. 2,161.01 CRSC @ 80% with spouse …longevity is the lesser

6. 2068 minus 333 residual = 1735 CRSC . You also receive 333 residual retired pay plus your VA comp.

Ron
 
Trevman/JMATTK:

Looks like I was wrong. I know this is not rocket science, but the computation is not always straight-forward either. The wait time for actual payments and processing can be frustrating...believe me, I know. In my case, I filed for VA disability in Jul 2023. It came back for 2 medical conditions with a combined 40% in Nov 2023. I filed a second in Dec 2023 and also filed for CRSC as all my med issues are agent orange (Vietnam) presumptive. VA came back in April 2024 and gave me a new rating of 90%. Again, I sent it to the CRSC office for review and inclusion to my original submission. One week after getting the 90% rating from VA, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer and sent in a 3rd disability application to VA, again presumptive to agent orange. Much to my surprise, VA responded in 10 days and gave me a 100% rating. Again, I sent the new update to CRSC and was told by them that my processing "time-clock" would restart and they should have an answer for me after working with DFAS around Thanksgiving. Dfas says that they are now going to put my case into a 3rd audit and could take 3-6 months. In the mean time, no back pay, no real $$ at all since the original VA payments were offset against my retired pay (20+ yrs service). It has been a roller coaster of sorts, even though I know CRSC, VA, and DFAS are just doing their jobs. Hope you, Trevman, have quicker, "cleaner" results.
 
Thanks a ton, Ron!
RonG said:
Hello @Trevman2866

1. 4422 ret pay minus 4079 = 333 residual retired pay

2. 4412/60% = 7353 high three

3. Active duty equivalent 11.25 yrs x 2.5% (2% for blended retirement) = 28.13% longevity multiplier

4. 7353 x 28.13% = 2068 longevity amt

5. 2,161.01 CRSC @ 80% with spouse …longevity is the lesser

6. 2068 minus 333 residual = 1735 CRSC . You also receive 333 residual retired pay plus your VA comp.

Ron
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BillMac said:
Trevman/JMATTK:

Looks like I was wrong. I know this is not rocket science, but the computation is not always straight-forward either. The wait time for actual payments and processing can be frustrating...believe me, I know. In my case, I filed for VA disability in Jul 2023. It came back for 2 medical conditions with a combined 40% in Nov 2023. I filed a second in Dec 2023 and also filed for CRSC as all my med issues are agent orange (Vietnam) presumptive. VA came back in April 2024 and gave me a new rating of 90%. Again, I sent it to the CRSC office for review and inclusion to my original submission. One week after getting the 90% rating from VA, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer and sent in a 3rd disability application to VA, again presumptive to agent orange. Much to my surprise, VA responded in 10 days and gave me a 100% rating. Again, I sent the new update to CRSC and was told by them that my processing "time-clock" would restart and they should have an answer for me after working with DFAS around Thanksgiving. Dfas says that they are now going to put my case into a 3rd audit and could take 3-6 months. In the mean time, no back pay, no real $$ at all since the original VA payments were offset against my retired pay (20+ yrs service). It has been a roller coaster of sorts, even though I know CRSC, VA, and DFAS are just doing their jobs. Hope you, Trevman, have quicker, "cleaner" results.
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Thanks for the help BillMac, I hope for a cleaner CRSC filing than yours and I hope all of your frustrations get smoothed out soon!
 
General. I had a regular retirement in 1991.

The computation of CRSC for regular retirement and medical retirement with less than 20 years is different.

With accurate info provided by a retiree,the computation of CRSC is not a mystery.

Regards,
Ron
 
BillMac said:
Trevman/JMATTK:

Looks like I was wrong. I know this is not rocket science, but the computation is not always straight-forward either. The wait time for actual payments and processing can be frustrating...believe me, I know. In my case, I filed for VA disability in Jul 2023. It came back for 2 medical conditions with a combined 40% in Nov 2023. I filed a second in Dec 2023 and also filed for CRSC as all my med issues are agent orange (Vietnam) presumptive. VA came back in April 2024 and gave me a new rating of 90%. Again, I sent it to the CRSC office for review and inclusion to my original submission. One week after getting the 90% rating from VA, I was diagnosed with bladder cancer and sent in a 3rd disability application to VA, again presumptive to agent orange. Much to my surprise, VA responded in 10 days and gave me a 100% rating. Again, I sent the new update to CRSC and was told by them that my processing "time-clock" would restart and they should have an answer for me after working with DFAS around Thanksgiving. Dfas says that they are now going to put my case into a 3rd audit and could take 3-6 months. In the mean time, no back pay, no real $$ at all since the original VA payments were offset against my retired pay (20+ yrs service). It has been a roller coaster of sorts, even though I know CRSC, VA, and DFAS are just doing their jobs. Hope you, Trevman, have quicker, "cleaner" results.
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No worries brother.
 
CRSC for CH 61 retirees with less than 20 years.

Chapter 61 Disability Retirees:
Each CH 61 case involves these ceilings and other factors:

—Must be entitled to retired pay
—Agrees to waive retired pay in the amount of VA compensation received.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the waived retired pay.
—CRSC cannot exceed the amount of the approved CRSC percentage (amt in VA Comp tables).
—CRSC cannot exceed the dollar amount of the longevity portion of retired pay.
—CRSC when combined with residual retired pay cannot exceed the longevity amount.

As one can see, more than one of the ceilings shown above could apply to the retiree. In those cases, the lesser amount is the CRSC amount. All of those ceilings must be considered when computing CRSC.

Ron
 
@RonG

Good afternoon All. I had a question pertaining to CRSC. I am currently going through IDES and looking at some of my disabilities being directly contributed to deployments (Anxiety, Depression, and PTSD). I am a full time National Guard Soldier with less than 20 year of service. I am wondering two things:

1. From what I can tell I will be entilted to CRSC if medcially retired, which it sounds like I will be, is this true?

2. If I am entitled to CRSC, this would be my CRSC criteria, would it be possible to get an estimate of benefits. From calculations it looks like I may be eligible to receive $1795 in CRSC but want to make sure I didn't fumble the numbers somewhere:

1. Average high three base pay (total of highest 36 months of base pay divided by 36) $4,788.00 highest base pay totaled in 36 months

2. Active duty equivalent (see DISABILITY RETIREMENT xx years xx months xx days on retirement orders) 15 YRS 2 MTHS 8 DAYS (Current AFS as of today)

3. DoD Disability percentage 50%, estimate. Could I get a calculation on 50% and 100%?

4. VA compensation: total AMOUNT plus percentage plus dependents by category and number plus SMCs by category $4202.42 (2 Child under 18, Spouse)

5. Approved or expected CRSC percentage? Do not have % yet, going to apply soon for approval

6. Were you in the blended retirement program? No

Thank you Ron and Team. I hope you all have a great week!
 
Hello @MeerkatFromSkinnyKeep

1. As you likely know, CRSC is not automatic . One must apply to their service post-retirement. The service determines what is combated related and the percentage.

Based on the info you provided.

2. DoD disability Retired pay
— at 50% is 50% x $4,788.00 = retired pay
— at 100% is 75% x $4,788.00 = retired pay

3. Your retired pay at both percentages will be reduced by $4202.42 amount of VA comp)

4. 15 yrs and 2 mo active duty equivalent , 15.17 x 2.5% = 37.93% longevity multipler

5. 4788 x 37.93% = 1816.09 longevity portion of retirement

6. Your CRSC will be be the lesser / lower amount of
—1816.09 longevity
OR
—the amount found in the VA compensation tables that corresponds to the approved CRSC percentage . Dependents included.

Ron

Edited to add: Contemporary CRSC Information--Also See Update at Bottom of this Resource Page <——LINK
 
RonG said:
Hello @MeerkatFromSkinnyKeep

1. As you likely know, CRSC is not automatic . One must apply to their service post-retirement. The service determines what is combated related and the percentage.

Based on the info you provided.

2. DoD disability Retired pay
— at 50% is 50% x $4,788.00 = retired pay
— at 100% is 75% x $4,788.00 = retired pay

3. Your retired pay at both percentages will be reduced by $4202.42 amount of VA comp)

4. 15 yrs and 2 mo active duty equivalent , 15.17 x 2.5% = 37.93% longevity multipler

5. 4788 x 37.93% = 1816.09 longevity portion of retirement

6. Your CRSC will be be the lesser / lower amount of
—1816.09 longevity
OR
—the amount found in the VA compensation tables that corresponds to the approved CRSC percentage . Dependents included.

Ron

Edited to add: Contemporary CRSC Information--Also See Update at Bottom of this Resource Page <——LINK
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Ron you are the man! Thank you so much. Not meaning to sound like a newb here but I am confused.

If approved for CRSC, what dictates if I receive the $1816.09 or the amount found in the VA compensation tables that corresponds to the approved CRSC percentage (Dependents included)? Am I able to receive the VA compensation of $4202.42 (VA disability) in combination with the $1816.09 (CRSC)?

Sorry for the confusion and thank you again for all the help.
 
MeerkatFromSkinnyKeep said:
Ron you are the man! Thank you so much. Not meaning to sound like a newb here but I am confused.

If approved for CRSC, what dictates if I receive the $1816.09 or the amount found in the VA compensation tables that corresponds to the approved CRSC percentage (Dependents included)? Am I able to receive the VA compensation of $4202.42 (VA disability) in combination with the $1816.09 (CRSC)?

Sorry for the confusion and thank you again for all the help.
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Hello,

What dictates…? The amount of each. You will receive the lower amount.
Also:
DoD 7000.14-R Financial Management Regulation Volume 7B, Chapter 63 * May 2022

VOLUME 7B, CHAPTER 63: “COMBAT-RELATED SPECIAL COMPENSATION (CRSC)”

https://comptroller.defense.gov/Portals/45/documents/fmr/current/07b/07b_63.pdf

I mentioned :
6. Your CRSC will be be the lesser / lower amount of
—1816.09 longevity
OR
—the amount found in the VA compensation tables that corresponds to the approved CRSC percentage . Dependents included.

Additional explanation: You would receive the longevity amount IF it was less than the approved percentage and amount found in the VA compensation tables . IF the amount in the Tables is less than the longevity amount, it will be the CRSC payable.

In either scenario, you also receive your VA compensation.

Ron
 
RonG said:
Hello @Trevman2866

1. 4422 ret pay minus 4079 = 333 residual retired pay

2. 4412/60% = 7353 high three

3. Active duty equivalent 11.25 yrs x 2.5% (2% for blended retirement) = 28.13% longevity multiplier

4. 7353 x 28.13% = 2068 longevity amt

5. 2,161.01 CRSC @ 80% with spouse …longevity is the lesser

6. 2068 minus 333 residual = 1735 CRSC . You also receive 333 residual retired pay plus your VA comp.

Ron
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Hi Ron,

I wanted to provide an update on the actual results of the award and ask a follow-up question that has me a bit puzzled.

- DFAS determined the total CRSC amount to be $1719.00 per month, not $1735.00 as initially expected.

My follow-up question concerns the retroactive back pay.

I medically retired on August 1, 2021, with a CRSC award of 10%, which amounts to $171.29 per month. It's been 34 months since then. DFAS paid me a lump sum of $44,903 two weeks ago, but I'm confused about how they calculated this amount.

Based on my calculations, I should have received $51,074.

Here's my breakdown:
($1719 - $171.29) * 33 months (not 34, since I already received the first month's 80% award on June 1) = $51,074.

Leaving a balance of $6,171

Could you please help clarify this discrepancy?

Thank you,
 
Trevman2866 said:
Hi Ron,

I wanted to provide an update on the actual results of the award and ask a follow-up question that has me a bit puzzled.

- DFAS determined the total CRSC amount to be $1719.00 per month, not $1735.00 as initially expected.

My follow-up question concerns the retroactive back pay.

I medically retired on August 1, 2021, with a CRSC award of 10%, which amounts to $171.29 per month. It's been 34 months since then. DFAS paid me a lump sum of $44,903 two weeks ago, but I'm confused about how they calculated this amount.

Based on my calculations, I should have received $51,074.

Here's my breakdown:
($1719 - $171.29) * 33 months (not 34, since I already received the first month's 80% award on June 1) = $51,074.

Leaving a balance of $6,171

Could you please help clarify this discrepancy?

Thank you,
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Its based on the rate for each year. This year is $171.29. Last year the monthly amount was $165.92 and so on and so on. The amount you were paid is probably correct.
 
Hello @Trevman2866 ,

Congratulations on your Receipt of CRSC .

I agree with @Provis concerning your retroactive payment.

You can write DFAS Retired Pay and request an audit.

Ron
 
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